A few dumb questions immediately after installing 1Password 8 on Mac

Thanks @"jack.platten" That certainly sounds better. So no scrolling to see the item count number?

That's correct! :smile:

@mikebore While something is better than nothing I agree with you that this is an underwhelming substitute to what existed in 1PW7. Like you I used the information in your screenshot above to verify that my 1PW items were synced across all my devices at a glance. I can do that again but now on the Mac there’s a lot more friction. Click. Scroll list. Select drop down entry. View item count at the bottom of the window. Wash, rinse, repeat.

There is a significant contingent of users clamoring for the return of Categories to the sidebar (at least as an option) and this is yet another reason why. And to my knowledge at least I haven’t come across anyone in this forum advocating for their removal … except AgileBits developers. It just seems like the focus is on Business customers who have more of a need for multiple vaults so displaying them so prominently in the sidebar makes sense for them. But for Individual or Families customers who likely have no need for a bunch of vaults this change is an undeniable downgrade in functionality. It takes longer and more clicks to browse (not search) to what we are looking for. And we can no longer quickly compare items counts across devices at a glance.

In 1PW7 there was a lot of back and forth over how the Suggestions feature should work in 1PW Mini. Fortunately AgileBits listened to the various camps and their use cases and implemented a preference that accommodated them all very nicely. I’m holding out hope that they will do the same with 1PW8 and provide a similar preference that will accommodate both the “vault-centric” and “categories-centric” camps in their entire customer base.

I'm hoping we can implement a better system to tell if sync is up-to-date or if the connection to the server is interrupted. In any case, I don't believe the steps you've described would be necessary:

I can do that again but now on the Mac there’s a lot more friction. Click. Scroll list. Select drop down entry. View item count at the bottom of the window. Wash, rinse, repeat.

There is no clicking or scrolling required to view the item count. This is how the app looks when freshly unlocked, in the default state (I've censored my information):

It seems if the purpose is to, at a glance, see if the item count between one install and another match, this would be the number you'd want to reference.

I appreciate the perspective on the other points as well, and I know that has already been shared with the design team. I'm not certain if there will be any changes in that regard, but the feedback has been heard, and I'm sure it'll be discussed if it hasn't been already.

Ben

@1P_Ben The "clicking and scrolling" I'm referring to is the new Categories drop down itself. Click to open the drop down. Scroll down the list. Click to make the selection. That's what we have to do to see Item Counts by Category. Whereas before they were all displayed very prominently in the sidebar at a glance because that's where Categories used to live. So I appreciate that the information is now available. This addition is an objectively good development! I'm just saying there is more friction to get to it because now we have to pull it up one at a time. At this point all my major issues with 1PW8 have been addressed except for an option to display Categories in the sidebar. And it's the best Electron app I've ever used and performance is undeniably good so that's no longer a big deal for me. But if an option for Categories in the sidebar isn't being seriously considered can we at least get a ** Show/Hide Sidebar** item in the View menu? I can't stress enough how if you don't switch vaults or use tags the sidebar in its current state is simply pointless. If we could just tuck it away we could save some space and it wouldn't be this constant reminder of lost functionality. Thanks for your reply and consideration. :)

I must say the removal of categories from the side bar is still a huge regression, even after having used 8 for3 months or so now - it causes so much friction.

I know everyone is different but I have no idea what planet your design team was on when they thought this was a good idea. The door down box is not as good.

Hi @OAW:

We have a separate request for collapsing the sidebar, so I've added your input to that.

ref: dev/core/core#9799

Jack

@"jack.platten" and @1P_Ben

Earlier Jack said this ....

"The item count will apply to whatever the current view is showing. In Ben's example, that would be however many Login items are in the vault or account he's currently viewing. Additionally, it's at the bottom of the item list in the window, not in at the bottom of your list via sorting."

It was certainly like that at first. The Item Count was at the bottom of the window and we didn't have to scroll down to the bottom of the list to see it. Then the Item Count suddenly disappeared and we were told it would return at some point in a future build. But now I see it was just moved and it does, in fact, display all the way down at the bottom of the list. The implementation of this feature has been made demonstrably worse for no apparent reason.

Agree....all the way down at the bottom is no good. The whole point was a simple quick eyeball check. I never saw the short-lived version where it was at the bottom of the visible window, without scrolling but that would be better. Even better would be Categories in the sidebar with numbers in each type visible all in one view.

Hi folks,

I have shared that feedback with the design team. They do have some further ideas on this subject, so we may see more changes coming. :+1:

Ben

ref: dev/content/design#2217