The real problem behind 1P8

How about you give this some time to mature? You are looking at the very first early access release.

Well, it's been out for 2 months now, with several updates. Give us a change log so we can know what to look for.

But that being said, it has nothing to do with the maturity. If you tell me "Well feature X doesn't work because Beta" then cool. I'm game. However what they are doing is changing how many things work fundamentally and it isn't going to "mature". That's how they want it to work now.

It's still early access, no matter how you twist and turn this. Just take a step back, re-install the production version (7) and wait for a proper beta or final release. I think you will be surprised how much stuff they added back in by then. It's just not feature-complete at this point.

Again. You're saying that it's not feature complete and I'm not disagreeing with you.

They are making DELIBERATE changes to how things work. That will not change. In my specific usecase, AgileBits staff has said, and I copy/paste quote "The Security team decides it would be best to allow users to unlock only one account at a time."

So how is waiting going to make my life any better? Other than delaying the time until I reach a point where I need to decide if I want to continue to use a product that no longer works for me?

and I copy/paste quote "The Security team decides it would be best to allow users to unlock only one account at a time."

You forgot to quote the part where they said that unlocking all accounts using biometrics is still possible, and that they are still thinking about this. I read the same thread, you know.

@cryptochrome

You are reasonable to state we need to allow the product to mature, but the feedback from these early releases should inform that maturation process. If left unfettered, 1Password may continue to make decisions that users think are bad.

@FCNV absolutely, agree 100%. But there is a huge difference between constructive feedback and outrage, which is what we have mostly seen so far. And the main point appears to be the shift from "native" to Electron. It's pointless to try and "argue" that decision with the 1P team, as the chances of them reverting this over half a year into the development are more than just slim. It's a done deal, 1P have a business case for this (a good one at that). So instead of hurling complaints and outright insults (I have seen a fair share of those here), the adult thing to do would be to move on. Accept the switch to Electron and make sure that feedback going forward is constructive and helps mature v8 and what it does.

@cryptochrome

Again, I think your accusations of "outrage" are unfounded and an attempt to change the narrative and illegitimize valid criticism. There is not evidence of outrage.

I feel like a constructive exercise would be to dissect the concerns around Electron and figure out an action plan. Agilebits has done a great job addressing the security concerns, what they haven't done is address the UX concerns. From reading your posts, it doesn't seem like you value a password app that is fast, elegant, or feels more in place with the OS it is on. That is your opinion and fair for you to hold, but don't come after users because they have different values than you do.

Ultimately 1Password will decide where this platform goes. If they value existing user input as they claim, they will find these discussions useful. If they don't, well, they'll probably lose some customers and move on.

@FCNV

Again, I think your accusations of "outrage" are unfounded and an attempt to change the narrative and illegitimize valid criticism. There is not evidence of outrage.

I've seen quite a bit of outrage here since the macOS early access version was announced. Heck, I seem to remember you called somebody else a "complete jerk" just a few hours ago. Sounds a lot like coming from someone who is triggered and outraged.

Anyways, you've made your point, I made mine, we're not going to agree, so let's move on.

@cryptochrome

I actually never called anybody a complete jerk, I was responding to another poster who used the term "jerk" and said it was inappropriate. Again, for you to throw out baseless accusations like that, or that people are "triggered" without any actual evidence is reckless, wrong, and consistent with troll-like behavior.

I support users' right to have opinions as long as they are supported. While I disagree with your opinion and feel you have not supported it with sound arguments, I respect your right to hold it. I would hope you would extend that to other users of 1Password and this community.