Design language

That’s ok, not everyone will agree with all of the changes and all of decisions made.

We can disagree, without ascribing malicious intent or other character flaws. Life isn’t perfect, software development even less so.

Your passion about the issue is likely well received.

MrC fair enough that there’s people who don’t actually care about a Mac-assed app experience. However, the change from ⌘0 meaning "all (filtered) vaults" to "reset zoom" is jarring and should have been seen as a problem well before it was implemented. There are two types of apps where I expect to find zoom bindings and will accept ⌘0 as "reset zoom":

1. Web Browsers (wholeheartedly)
2. Editors (grudgingly)

You know who else implements this bonkers behaviour? Slack. It’s a constant low-level reminder that the people at Slack don’t actually care about the user experience of the people who use their products, because people don’t change the zoom on their chat interfaces frequently if ever. It’s a reminder to people that a Mac-assed experience isn’t even a consideration, much less respect for conventions of differing platforms. (It’s also a constant reminder that, IMO, Slack is a perfect fit for Salesforce because neither company actually gives a damn.)

Mac apps often (but not always) treat ⌘0 as "show the main window". Especially if, like with 1Password, there’s only one window. 1Password used to treat it as "show the All Vaults view". Now it’s "reset zoom". It’s wrong on three counts:

• it no longer feels like 1Password did (and therefore feels like a change for change sake, or because of laziness),
• it no longer feels like a Mac app (and emphasizes the foreign unnatural behaviour of Electron apps)
• it is almost never what the user of the application wants, especially if they’ve gone to the trouble of reducing zoom to, say, 80% in the preferences menu.

Accidental keypresses of bindings that previously meant something else or should mean something else on the platform are simply wrong.

This is a public forum, read by many different users. As per the https://1password.community/discussion/83005/forum-rules-reminders-read-before-posting#latest, let's avoid the profanity.

I have been a customer of 1Password since v3 and given a lot of shit to AgileBits over the years. It's because this app is so central to my workflow that I actually care enough to stay and complain instead of leaving quickly.

I absolutely Electron apps (cough*Discord for Mac*cough) . They are slow as shit and clunky, but 1Password has magically pulled it off and not only that has surpassed v7 by leaps and margins. I honestly don't understand all of this hate for the new v8 app. I am not a company shill and will absolutely call out bullshit as I see it but this is by far the version of any versions I have ever used.

@octothorpe88 agilebits has implemented and NAILED your request with the latest version.
You can now adjust the density and zoom level of the app in the Appearance settings. Compact is absolutely perfect on my Mac and PC. I love the consistent interface.

used almost never being bound to hotkeys

You may not use it, and that's cool. But some of us do, and these binding are so ubiquitous across many apps, that it might be considered a standard set of bindings.

I think you've made your case, and it's clear you don't care for it. But please don't assume that's the case of the rest of us.

I’ll reiterate the modals as I ran into it yesterday when trying to fix the vaults that 1Password sees on Safari Technology Preview. I hit a modal which I couldn’t use because I couldn’t get to some of the information required. I ended up needing to copy the information I needed to a Note so I could work with everything.

Regarding the zoom controls…I don’t personally think they belong, but what I object to is something that gets used almost never being bound to hotkeys. This is complicated by the fact that 1Password doesn’t have a toolbar, but putting zoom controls on something visual would be better than using hotkeys. I would even be less annoyed by this if that one single assignment of ⌘0 was removed, because that should be something genuinely useful and related to the other numbered hotkeys.

Thanks for the clarifications, austin!

I personally like the zoom controls, even though I don't use them often. Being able to shrink an entire UI when I'm running out of space or expand it when my eyes are tired is pretty nice. I do this often in web browsers and in VS Code, and I'm not sure why it shouldn't be available in other apps.

I think being able to reorder/reprioritize collections and accounts makes sense, as well as your objection to the modal. Those things haven't been hindrances to my workflow, but that's why we're here. 🙂 That said, we're definitely early on, and "leaning all the way in" takes time. I hope we'll be able to turn these features into a delight for you in the future. ❤️

1P_Rob The full hate I have for the modal garbage is in https://1password.community/discussion/comment/609132/#Comment_609132. I mean, the fact that I can’t look at the list of collections I’m trying to build side-by-side with the vaults I’m considering including in them is reason enough to hate this (not all of the vaults in the accounts I’m on are well named).

Collections are, in the main, useless because they appear to be sorted by name instead of being reorderable. This matters, because the addition of a differently named collection or a new account will change the hotkey for a collection. The reality is that I don’t want want ⌘1 to go to All Vaults, I want it to be my primary view—which would be a collection of my choosing. Actually, I want that to be ⌘0, but "reset zoom to 100%" is bound to that because Electron defaults are stupid for anything except web browsers and maybe editors. Why do I want it to be ⌘0? Because that’s what it was in 1Password 7 (I know; it’s actually "all vaults", but "all vaults" defaulted to the list of "show these vaults" making it infinitely more useful than the dancing hotkeys and other inanities we have right now).

If collections are going to be the way of the future, lean all the way in to them and make it so that I can prioritize them above my accounts, if I want. Or let me have ⌘0 back for one of my collections because it’s infinitely more useful than "reset zoom". Or maybe ⌘0 rotates between collections rather than having dancing hotkeys.

The main shortcut that I hit "by accident" (that is, I’m hitting it on purpose because it should mean something better than "reset zoom") is ⌘0. But interface / text resizing is not something that needs to be on hotkeys, because I have only hit ⌘- when I have intended to shrink the interface where I want it to stay and I’ve never intentionally hit ⌘+ in 1Password. These are wasted hotkeys, especially now that zoom is trivially settable in a good preferences window.

Absolutely all of the electron modals in 1Password 8 should be purged with prejudiced. Literally anything would be better than that. Why not take a page from the only really good Electron app out there (VSCode) and lean into tabs or split view or both? I can’t think of a single thing that I would be doing in 1Password where I don’t need to have access to other parts of 1Password while configuring it. (I mean that quite literally. I know one password, which is that to my personal account / vault set. Every other 1Password account to which I have access has the password stored in, where else, 1Password. If I’m registering a new device or adding a new vault, I absolutely need the New Account thing to be a floating window or a tab or anything except an Electron modal.

Collection management is still a pseudo-modal, which means that it’s not useful for me—and makes this "flagship" feature something that I hate using.

Thanks for the feedback, austin! Can you elaborate on why the fact that it's a modal view makes it not useful for you? (Apologies if you've explained before. This thread is getting long.)

I appreciate very much that preferences is its own window now. Thank you.

Happy to hear it!

The appearance options are nice, but I still wish I could disable the ⌘-, ⌘+, and ⌘0 misfeatures. Especially ⌘0. I don’t ever want to change these settings outside of Preferences.

Do you find yourself hitting these shortcuts on accident or intending them to do something different? If not, why do you want to disable them?

1P_PeterG nice! haven't had time to play with the betas, but happy to see variable density made it in.