I tried before writing here.
I did this: brew install 1password and got the application version with irritating "Windows" buttons.
Wrote my comment.
Received your answer.
Now trying to go with brew install homebrew/cask-versions/1password-beta
WOW! Thank You! I again love 1Password. All buttons are on their places. Thank you!
Wow. I started hating it in 15 minutes of using stable version 8 of the application and got back fall in love again after trying that beta.
Have you tried the release? The X is no longer present and the stoplights are what closes the window. It is also now free floating and can be moved as needed.
I also wait for the normal placement of the close button.
I have to use version 7 just because of the wrong close button placement in version 8. Please, fix it.
I strictly refuse to use any application which is impolite to me as a user of Mac OS.
I'm ok to pay for this. Though I need Slack for everyday work, I also do not use the Slack application because of the wrong close button placement. Same story with any other application with wrong button placements.
Hey viswiz, @balupton, and rctneil, thanks for the feedback here! This is an area we're continuing to look into on the design team and I appreciate hearing back from folks on it. The main consideration we took when creating our modal views was keeping them as simple as possible and making them easy to understand and use. We've done user testing with them a few times now, and while they tested extremely well in general, we have already made some changes based on that and other feedback and I'll make sure we continue to do that and iterate based on those types of tests as well as hearing back from folks like you.
The current versions do indeed break from Apple's general modal guidelines (although Apple themselves break that on occasion as well) and there are a lot of pros to going with system conventions. It can help with familiarity for those that have interacted with similar controls in other places as you've pointed out. There is also a balance that we try to work through in regards to whether or not breaking from the conventions hurts, or helps usability. And of course "usability" varies from person to person depending on their own experiences and familiarity with conventions, so we try to user test and research across different backgrounds. And in addition to that there is also a balancing act with how the implementation would work from a time, effort, and upkeep standpoint on the development side of things for us (and prioritizing things with other projects we are working on). It's a constant effort that we try to go through to look through all of those things and see where we can work to improve things next.
All of that is a very longwinded way of me saying, I completely see where you're coming from and appreciate your thoughts here being a long, long time Mac user myself. And I'll keep on pushing us to consider all of this when we make our decisions for the apps, hearing from you does have an impact and we work to keep track of this type of feedback over time as well. Our goal here is always to make the absolute best, and most usable apps we can. ❤️
@ag_maryam the problem you mentioned only exists because AgileBits refuses to follow even the most basic macOS UI principles. A proper dialog window with navigation should look like this:
Additionally a modal dialog on macOS has no close button neither the typical stop lights top left nor a fake X on the right. It just uses Cancel/Ok buttons.
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Thank you. Just adding these screens also here for you to see the whole picture (places with wrong button placements!
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Ah that one. My apologies. I'll get this mentioned to the team.
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ref: IDEA-I-1027 \n
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I tried before writing here. \nI did this: brew install 1password and got the application version with irritating \"Windows\" buttons. \nWrote my comment. \nReceived your answer. \nNow trying to go with brew install homebrew/cask-versions/1password-beta
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WOW! Thank You! I again love 1Password. All buttons are on their places. Thank you! \nWow. I started hating it in 15 minutes of using stable version 8 of the application and got back fall in love again after trying that beta.
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@Daryna
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Have you tried the release? The X is no longer present and the stoplights are what closes the window. It is also now free floating and can be moved as needed.
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I also wait for the normal placement of the close button. \nI have to use version 7 just because of the wrong close button placement in version 8. Please, fix it.
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I strictly refuse to use any application which is impolite to me as a user of Mac OS. \nI'm ok to pay for this. Though I need Slack for everyday work, I also do not use the Slack application because of the wrong close button placement. Same story with any other application with wrong button placements.
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All,
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This is something that has been addressed in the latest nightly build of 1Password 8 for Mac:
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Ben
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Hey viswiz, @balupton, and rctneil, thanks for the feedback here! This is an area we're continuing to look into on the design team and I appreciate hearing back from folks on it. The main consideration we took when creating our modal views was keeping them as simple as possible and making them easy to understand and use. We've done user testing with them a few times now, and while they tested extremely well in general, we have already made some changes based on that and other feedback and I'll make sure we continue to do that and iterate based on those types of tests as well as hearing back from folks like you.
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The current versions do indeed break from Apple's general modal guidelines (although Apple themselves break that on occasion as well) and there are a lot of pros to going with system conventions. It can help with familiarity for those that have interacted with similar controls in other places as you've pointed out. There is also a balance that we try to work through in regards to whether or not breaking from the conventions hurts, or helps usability. And of course \"usability\" varies from person to person depending on their own experiences and familiarity with conventions, so we try to user test and research across different backgrounds. And in addition to that there is also a balancing act with how the implementation would work from a time, effort, and upkeep standpoint on the development side of things for us (and prioritizing things with other projects we are working on). It's a constant effort that we try to go through to look through all of those things and see where we can work to improve things next.
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All of that is a very longwinded way of me saying, I completely see where you're coming from and appreciate your thoughts here being a long, long time Mac user myself. And I'll keep on pushing us to consider all of this when we make our decisions for the apps, hearing from you does have an impact and we work to keep track of this type of feedback over time as well. Our goal here is always to make the absolute best, and most usable apps we can. ❤️
\n\n
Cheers,
\n\n
Dan Peterson \nStaff Designer @ 1Password
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I still agree with this. I think modals should use native window dialogs if at all possible.
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@ag_maryam the problem you mentioned only exists because AgileBits refuses to follow even the most basic macOS UI principles. A proper dialog window with navigation should look like this: \n
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Additionally a modal dialog on macOS has no close button neither the typical stop lights top left nor a fake X on the right. It just uses Cancel/Ok buttons.
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