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2 years ago

Passkeys, multiple devices and having no biometric reader

Hi, This is perhaps a stupid question... but I have read your blogs about passkeys and still can't really understand how this scenario works. Let's say I register on an app on my iPhone. I selec...
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2 years ago

Thank you Grey, I think that answers my questions!
So basically, the biometric part is not tied to the passkey at all, really. It's just used to unlock the password manager (1P, iCloud, etc) where your passkey is stored, but the actual passkey itself is just a regular public/secret key, similar to for instance SSH?

That makes the concept much easier to understand, haha. I was always wondering how the biometric was tied to the passkey but now I know :)

It will be interesting to see what happens when "everything" is unlocked with passkeys. E.g. if unlocking 1P is done via passkey, that passkey could for instance be stored on my iCloud keychain (which would require me to scan the QR code with my phone if I'm logging into 1P on my PC). But what if the entire Apple ID is logged in via passkey, where would that be stored?

Problem for another day I guess! Thanks for the reply, Grey! :)

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I selec...","body@stringLength":"1730","rawBody":"

Hi,

\n\n

This is perhaps a stupid question... but I have read your blogs about passkeys and still can't really understand how this scenario works.
\nLet's say I register on an app on my iPhone. I select passkey as login method when registering. Since it's an iPhone, I would use FaceID. I would then store the passkey in my 1P account as a login item.

\n\n

If that app also has a website and I want to login to that website on my computer (Windows PC). I have 1P installed on the computer. How do I authenticate? Will I be required to pick up my phone and use FaceID every time I want to login to one of those websites since that's what I used when creating the passkeys?

\n\n

And likewise reverse. Let's say I register on a website on my Windows PC (e.g. 1P community forums) and choose passkey as login. I don't have a biometric reader nor camera on my PC (stationary PC) so I'd use Windows Hello pin I guess? If I then want to login to that website on my iPhone when I'm out and about, do I need to authenticate via Windows Hello pin?

\n\n

I'm a software developer so I understand the concept about public/private keys, I use them a lot with SSH, etc. I just don't understand how the biometric part comes into play and how that would work if you're on a device with no biometric reader available.

\n\n

As a kicker question, if I were to convert my 1P master password to passkey, how would I sign into my 1P app at all on my Windows PC where I have no biometric reader/camera?

\n\n

I hope I were able to explain my question XD

\n\n
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Hi,

\n\n

This is perhaps a stupid question... but I have read your blogs about passkeys and still can't really understand how this scenario works.
\nLet's say I register on an app on my iPhone. I select passkey as login method when registering. Since it's an iPhone, I would use FaceID. I would then store the passkey in my 1P account as a login item.

\n\n

If that app also has a website and I want to login to that website on my computer (Windows PC). I have 1P installed on the computer. How do I authenticate? Will I be required to pick up my phone and use FaceID every time I want to login to one of those websites since that's what I used when creating the passkeys?

\n\n

And likewise reverse. Let's say I register on a website on my Windows PC (e.g. 1P community forums) and choose passkey as login. I don't have a biometric reader nor camera on my PC (stationary PC) so I'd use Windows Hello pin I guess? If I then want to login to that website on my iPhone when I'm out and about, do I need to authenticate via Windows Hello pin?

\n\n

I'm a software developer so I understand the concept about public/private keys, I use them a lot with SSH, etc. I just don't understand how the biometric part comes into play and how that would work if you're on a device with no biometric reader available.

\n\n

As a kicker question, if I were to convert my 1P master password to passkey, how would I sign into my 1P app at all on my Windows PC where I have no biometric reader/camera?

\n\n

I hope I were able to explain my question XD

\n\n
\n\n

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Thank you Grey, I think that answers my questions!
\nSo basically, the biometric part is not tied to the passkey at all, really. It's just used to unlock the password manager (1P, iCloud, etc) where your passkey is stored, but the actual passkey itself is just a regular public/secret key, similar to for instance SSH?

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That makes the concept much easier to understand, haha. I was always wondering how the biometric was tied to the passkey but now I know :)

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It will be interesting to see what happens when \"everything\" is unlocked with passkeys. E.g. if unlocking 1P is done via passkey, that passkey could for instance be stored on my iCloud keychain (which would require me to scan the QR code with my phone if I'm logging into 1P on my PC). But what if the entire Apple ID is logged in via passkey, where would that be stored?

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Problem for another day I guess! Thanks for the reply, Grey! :)

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Thank you Grey, I think that answers my questions!
\nSo basically, the biometric part is not tied to the passkey at all, really. It's just used to unlock the password manager (1P, iCloud, etc) where your passkey is stored, but the actual passkey itself is just a regular public/secret key, similar to for instance SSH?

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That makes the concept much easier to understand, haha. I was always wondering how the biometric was tied to the passkey but now I know :)

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It will be interesting to see what happens when \"everything\" is unlocked with passkeys. E.g. if unlocking 1P is done via passkey, that passkey could for instance be stored on my iCloud keychain (which would require me to scan the QR code with my phone if I'm logging into 1P on my PC). But what if the entire Apple ID is logged in via passkey, where would that be stored?

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Problem for another day I guess! Thanks for the reply, Grey! :)

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