1Password v8 is a Mistake

roustem

Again, I think you are in a dangerous echo chamber here. I'm not personally taking the caveman stance "Electron app bad!" but definitely understand the criticism. I actually don't care what you write it in. I just use it for password management, not rendering Pixar movies. But I still think it's important that whatever language or framework you use, it:

1. Is polished in ways your previous apps were and this one is not.
2. Feels consistent with the OS experience it is on. I know you want to standardize the look across platforms because it is easier, but there is a benefit to making it feel whole with each OS. Mac users value this experience, as you may know.
3. It is performant. We've seen reports of this thing taking up 3-5x resources as 1Password 7.

Please don't be dismissive of these things just because it makes it easier to forge forward with your roadmap. I know it sucks now, but someday you'll be able to look back and tell the story about the time you made a mistake with 1Password 8, listened to the feedback, and made the right decisions with the roadmap and product, even if it wasn't the easy decision. The same way Mark Zuckerberg talks about their misstep with web apps on mobile and their decision to go native.

roustem

Are you going to show up to your Reddit AMA? Or are you too busy loving the 1Password 8 experience to participate?

They gotta make that money back for shareholders somehow.

Breakout consumer app → insane organic growth → bottoms up enterprise adoption → taste that enterprise money → can’t look back → enterprise roadmap → death of a good product

If it is confirmed to be an Electron base application, I will never upgrade to v8!!
This kind of application needs to be super fast and use little ressources. IT NEEDS to be a native app!

The weird thing about getting $100 million in VC funding is:

1. They don't have to go to the cheapest option (Electron).
2. Now what is their primary differentiator between LastPass or Dashlane? It isn't performance, security, or the user experience. Are they just going to out-market them to enterprises?

They also didn't show up for the Reddit AMA that they themselves announced.

"Your comment will appear after it is approved."

To be honest, that's not surprising. They've mishandled this from the start and they can't back down now.

The 1Password community is now censoring posts in this thread.

"Your comment will appear after it is approved."

@sriggins, that's the problem. They won't be honest because they can't be. They know this was purely about it being the cheapest decision, not the best decision for the end users. If they'd own that, I'd respect them at least a little, but the amount of spin and lies left me with 0 respect.

I just want to point out that after leaving a few respectful and constructive criticisms in response to roustem I was blocked from posting on this board by the 1Password team. I see where this is going, so I'll just leave this last attempt:

roustem

Again, I think you are in a dangerous echo chamber here. I'm not personally taking the caveman stance "Electron app bad!" but definitely understand the criticism. I actually don't care what you write it in. I just use it for password management, not rendering Pixar movies. But I still think it's important that whatever language or framework you use, it:

1. Is polished in ways your previous apps were and this one is not.
2. Feels consistent with the OS experience it is on. I know you want to standardize the look across platforms because it is easier, but there is a benefit to making it feel whole with each OS. Mac users value this experience, as you may know.
3. It is performant. We've seen reports of this thing taking up 3-5x resources as 1Password 7.

Please don't be dismissive of these things just because it makes it easier to forge forward with your roadmap. I know it sucks now, but someday you'll be able to look back and tell the story about the time you made a mistake with 1Password 8, listened to the feedback, and made the right decisions with the roadmap and product, even if it wasn't the easy decision. The same way Mark Zuckerberg talks about their misstep with web apps on mobile and the decision to go native. You can get rich and make a good app.