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4 years ago
Just installed 8 and ran it for the first time. Just some quick feedback
However, the change from ⌘0 meaning "all (filtered) vaults" to "reset zoom" is jarring and should have been seen as a problem well before it was implemented. There are two types of apps where I expect to find zoom bindings and will accept ⌘0 as "reset zoom":
Web Browsers (wholeheartedly)
Editors (grudgingly)
I agree with this assessment by @Austin. It's not that returning to a default soon is completely unuseful, but its not something expect to do in apps other than browsers and more to the point the ⌘0 is already accounted for in 1Password 7, as well as ⌘1-9 having a seperate function based on your number of collections within the app. 1-9 does one thing and then one number only carries a different meaning. It's not even a shortcut I use but I can see how it'll stick out to those that do. It's also the sort of thing the Mac user base concerned about Electron might jump on and will just attract the 'its a browser app' criticisms. Someone said one reason they like it is after a long day they may scale their UI, but do people really do that on a single app basis rather than a system level, and to a password manager no less where you probably aren't spending a lot of time? It doesn't seem like a hugely common use case to me, with people likely changing scaling once and then not needing to dynamically tweak it on a per app basis.
The zoom itself also breaks the UI currently too as noted, once it hits around 150%. Preference pane especially however I haven't looked if other areas are impacted.
Looking at some of the notes from snozdop. The lack of rubber banding really stands out here to me as feeling off. Also the inconsistency with windows. Preferences looks good as someone coming in with what sounds like a recent redesign. It however sticks out that other popups such as collection management and new items are modal. It'd be nice if the preferences behaviour could be made consistent throughout. As an example of where this negatively impacted my flow, when I first accessed the Collections Manager UI it took me a moment on Mac to work out how to cancel out and close the window. Normally I'd expect the three coloured buttons that native MacOS windows have. Failing that my eye was drawn to the disabled 'Cancel' button which felt like a logical thing to click to cancel out of the editor, however that wasn't enabled and is tied to the current collection if modified. The last place I was drawn to was the X in the upper right which isn't where close buttons on Mac windows live.
I'm seeing some poor scrolling performance when scrolling on lists, especially if I scroll slowly. The pane bobs up and down a bit rather than scrolling smoothly. Never noticed this in 7 or other Mac apps (which I've just tested now to be sure). Seeing this when scrolling through my logins, when scrolling through saved info for a single login, etc. Seems to apply when the scrolling starts with the list at the very top. If you start scrolling from a list that's not sitting at the first record performance seems better and I don't get the juddering.
If I have the preference pane open and then select another app. When I next click the 1Password app in the dock I'm finding that the main 1Password window opens however the preference pane is lost behind. By contrast, if in Safari I had the preference pane open, go to another app, then click Safari again on the dock, when Safari s brought to the foreground its done so with the browser being displayed with the preference pane on top, just as the windows were ordered at the time I selected another app. I'll note that the 1Password preference pane does flash for an instance which makes it feel like the OS brought the panes back as expected but something has then triggered the main 1Password window to steal focus away from the preferences pane causing it to be sent to the background.
Not a huge fan of the banner on the "add new" screen with a bunch of options taking up space on a screen that's already quite full. I'd consider making that collapsible or pull that interface element into a new starter wizard. It's not that useful I don't think for longtime users. Part of me would like to see the 'New Item" button incorporate a drop down menu to the right of the button where if clicked would have a vertical list of items that can be added and bypass that initial 'New Item' screen. Might just be me missing the more simple behaviour of the 7 version though when adding something which didn't need a new window.
Overall I think the app looks alright. There's some mannerisms I hope can be improved to make them feel more native (rubber banding and removing modal windows) on Mac, but then other aspects do look and work well such as the main UI. Also reassuring to see that the preference pane has got some attention to make it feel more native, and I hope that attention is given to other windows. Some of these UI quirks stick out when you compare the iOS 8 app using Swift where Apple native things like rubber banding are in effect still which makes this a bit more pronounced.
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Just installed 8 and ran it for the first time. Just some quick feedback
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However, the change from ⌘0 meaning \"all (filtered) vaults\" to \"reset zoom\" is jarring and should have been seen as a problem well before it was implemented. There are two types of apps where I expect to find zoom bindings and will accept ⌘0 as \"reset zoom\":
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Web Browsers (wholeheartedly) \nEditors (grudgingly)
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I agree with this assessment by @Austin. It's not that returning to a default soon is completely unuseful, but its not something expect to do in apps other than browsers and more to the point the ⌘0 is already accounted for in 1Password 7, as well as ⌘1-9 having a seperate function based on your number of collections within the app. 1-9 does one thing and then one number only carries a different meaning. It's not even a shortcut I use but I can see how it'll stick out to those that do. It's also the sort of thing the Mac user base concerned about Electron might jump on and will just attract the 'its a browser app' criticisms. Someone said one reason they like it is after a long day they may scale their UI, but do people really do that on a single app basis rather than a system level, and to a password manager no less where you probably aren't spending a lot of time? It doesn't seem like a hugely common use case to me, with people likely changing scaling once and then not needing to dynamically tweak it on a per app basis.
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The zoom itself also breaks the UI currently too as noted, once it hits around 150%. Preference pane especially however I haven't looked if other areas are impacted.
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Looking at some of the notes from snozdop. The lack of rubber banding really stands out here to me as feeling off. Also the inconsistency with windows. Preferences looks good as someone coming in with what sounds like a recent redesign. It however sticks out that other popups such as collection management and new items are modal. It'd be nice if the preferences behaviour could be made consistent throughout. As an example of where this negatively impacted my flow, when I first accessed the Collections Manager UI it took me a moment on Mac to work out how to cancel out and close the window. Normally I'd expect the three coloured buttons that native MacOS windows have. Failing that my eye was drawn to the disabled 'Cancel' button which felt like a logical thing to click to cancel out of the editor, however that wasn't enabled and is tied to the current collection if modified. The last place I was drawn to was the X in the upper right which isn't where close buttons on Mac windows live.
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I'm seeing some poor scrolling performance when scrolling on lists, especially if I scroll slowly. The pane bobs up and down a bit rather than scrolling smoothly. Never noticed this in 7 or other Mac apps (which I've just tested now to be sure). Seeing this when scrolling through my logins, when scrolling through saved info for a single login, etc. Seems to apply when the scrolling starts with the list at the very top. If you start scrolling from a list that's not sitting at the first record performance seems better and I don't get the juddering.
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If I have the preference pane open and then select another app. When I next click the 1Password app in the dock I'm finding that the main 1Password window opens however the preference pane is lost behind. By contrast, if in Safari I had the preference pane open, go to another app, then click Safari again on the dock, when Safari s brought to the foreground its done so with the browser being displayed with the preference pane on top, just as the windows were ordered at the time I selected another app. I'll note that the 1Password preference pane does flash for an instance which makes it feel like the OS brought the panes back as expected but something has then triggered the main 1Password window to steal focus away from the preferences pane causing it to be sent to the background.
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Not a huge fan of the banner on the \"add new\" screen with a bunch of options taking up space on a screen that's already quite full. I'd consider making that collapsible or pull that interface element into a new starter wizard. It's not that useful I don't think for longtime users. Part of me would like to see the 'New Item\" button incorporate a drop down menu to the right of the button where if clicked would have a vertical list of items that can be added and bypass that initial 'New Item' screen. Might just be me missing the more simple behaviour of the 7 version though when adding something which didn't need a new window.
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Overall I think the app looks alright. There's some mannerisms I hope can be improved to make them feel more native (rubber banding and removing modal windows) on Mac, but then other aspects do look and work well such as the main UI. Also reassuring to see that the preference pane has got some attention to make it feel more native, and I hope that attention is given to other windows. Some of these UI quirks stick out when you compare the iOS 8 app using Swift where Apple native things like rubber banding are in effect still which makes this a bit more pronounced.
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Just installed 8 and ran it for the first time. Just some quick feedback
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However, the change from ⌘0 meaning \"all (filtered) vaults\" to \"reset zoom\" is jarring and should have been seen as a problem well before it was implemented. There are two types of apps where I expect to find zoom bindings and will accept ⌘0 as \"reset zoom\":
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Web Browsers (wholeheartedly) \nEditors (grudgingly)
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I agree with this assessment by @Austin. It's not that returning to a default soon is completely unuseful, but its not something expect to do in apps other than browsers and more to the point the ⌘0 is already accounted for in 1Password 7, as well as ⌘1-9 having a seperate function based on your number of collections within the app. 1-9 does one thing and then one number only carries a different meaning. It's not even a shortcut I use but I can see how it'll stick out to those that do. It's also the sort of thing the Mac user base concerned about Electron might jump on and will just attract the 'its a browser app' criticisms. Someone said one reason they like it is after a long day they may scale their UI, but do people really do that on a single app basis rather than a system level, and to a password manager no less where you probably aren't spending a lot of time? It doesn't seem like a hugely common use case to me, with people likely changing scaling once and then not needing to dynamically tweak it on a per app basis.
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The zoom itself also breaks the UI currently too as noted, once it hits around 150%. Preference pane especially however I haven't looked if other areas are impacted.
\n\n
Looking at some of the notes from . The lack of rubber banding really stands out here to me as feeling off. Also the inconsistency with windows. Preferences looks good as someone coming in with what sounds like a recent redesign. It however sticks out that other popups such as collection management and new items are modal. It'd be nice if the preferences behaviour could be made consistent throughout. As an example of where this negatively impacted my flow, when I first accessed the Collections Manager UI it took me a moment on Mac to work out how to cancel out and close the window. Normally I'd expect the three coloured buttons that native MacOS windows have. Failing that my eye was drawn to the disabled 'Cancel' button which felt like a logical thing to click to cancel out of the editor, however that wasn't enabled and is tied to the current collection if modified. The last place I was drawn to was the X in the upper right which isn't where close buttons on Mac windows live.
\n\n
I'm seeing some poor scrolling performance when scrolling on lists, especially if I scroll slowly. The pane bobs up and down a bit rather than scrolling smoothly. Never noticed this in 7 or other Mac apps (which I've just tested now to be sure). Seeing this when scrolling through my logins, when scrolling through saved info for a single login, etc. Seems to apply when the scrolling starts with the list at the very top. If you start scrolling from a list that's not sitting at the first record performance seems better and I don't get the juddering.
\n\n
If I have the preference pane open and then select another app. When I next click the 1Password app in the dock I'm finding that the main 1Password window opens however the preference pane is lost behind. By contrast, if in Safari I had the preference pane open, go to another app, then click Safari again on the dock, when Safari s brought to the foreground its done so with the browser being displayed with the preference pane on top, just as the windows were ordered at the time I selected another app. I'll note that the 1Password preference pane does flash for an instance which makes it feel like the OS brought the panes back as expected but something has then triggered the main 1Password window to steal focus away from the preferences pane causing it to be sent to the background.
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Not a huge fan of the banner on the \"add new\" screen with a bunch of options taking up space on a screen that's already quite full. I'd consider making that collapsible or pull that interface element into a new starter wizard. It's not that useful I don't think for longtime users. Part of me would like to see the 'New Item\" button incorporate a drop down menu to the right of the button where if clicked would have a vertical list of items that can be added and bypass that initial 'New Item' screen. Might just be me missing the more simple behaviour of the 7 version though when adding something which didn't need a new window.
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Overall I think the app looks alright. There's some mannerisms I hope can be improved to make them feel more native (rubber banding and removing modal windows) on Mac, but then other aspects do look and work well such as the main UI. Also reassuring to see that the preference pane has got some attention to make it feel more native, and I hope that attention is given to other windows. Some of these UI quirks stick out when you compare the iOS 8 app using Swift where Apple native things like rubber banding are in effect still which makes this a bit more pronounced.
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