Feature request: Adding an optional additional PIN for the iPhone app with Face ID
Entering my nice long passphrase on the iPhone app is a pain but I feel nervous using just Face ID. (I know, perhaps too paranoid/crazy.) I think it would be great if there was an option to add a numeric PIN on top of the Face ID.
Thankis.
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The odds is one in a million chance to trick face I.D.
The odds is one in a fifty thousand to trick finger print.
However if you have a twin or a son or daughter that looks almost exactly like you then it is possible to trick face I.D.. anybody else not likely.
If you share face I.D. with someone else on the same device it lowers the odds slightly.
Still that would not prevent me from having the max two faces on the same device.
I too was nervous about face I.D. before I educated myself by reading. In public you do not want someone to see you type a password.
If you have time and know something is going to happen before it actually does either restart or even better turn your iPhone off and that increases the protection of the secure enclave of your iPhone.
Can I second this suggestion? I still use the old 1Password app because it has a PIN
The government can get a warrant to use your face to unlock a device but cannot force you to give them a password or PIN. I don’t use FACEID on my phone at all.
Thanks for the reply Dave. I really couldn't ask for more, given that my request was more "peace of mind" as you say, than high probability risk-avoidance.
Thanks for the reply. Even if someone was able to steal your iPhone and unlock the iPhone itself they would then need to find the 1Password app and unlock it separately. You can have 1Password lock more quickly to help protect against this threat: How to set 1Password to lock automatically
Once someone is willing to use force to get you to unlock your iPhone or 1Password there isn't much that 1Password can do to protect you. If someone is willing to use force to get you to unlock your iPhone or 1Password using Face ID then they'll likely be willing to use the same force to get you to give them your PIN.
That being said, I can see how requiring a PIN in addition to biometrics could give some folks more peace of mind. While I can't make any promises, I've filed a feature request on your behalf with our product team.
Well, I'm thinking of the scenario of some evil-doer unlocking my phone by simply holding it up to my face. I admit, an unlikely event in a mugging or whatever, since I'm not a famous person or someone with national secrets. Perhaps what has me feeling nervous is the ease with which Face ID works, giving potential access to the "family jewels." I know, perhaps silly.
Thank you for the suggestion! Can you tell me a little more about the threat that you're trying to protect against? Face ID, by default, is very secure and 1Password adds additional protections to increase that security even further. You can read more here:
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Entering my nice long passphrase on the iPhone app is a pain but I feel nervous using just Face ID. (I know, perhaps too paranoid/crazy.) I think it would be great if there was an option to add a numeric PIN on top of the Face ID.
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Entering my nice long passphrase on the iPhone app is a pain but I feel nervous using just Face ID. (I know, perhaps too paranoid/crazy.) I think it would be great if there was an option to add a numeric PIN on top of the Face ID.
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Thankis.
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The odds is one in a million chance to trick face I.D. \nThe odds is one in a fifty thousand to trick finger print.
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However if you have a twin or a son or daughter that looks almost exactly like you then it is possible to trick face I.D.. anybody else not likely.
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If you share face I.D. with someone else on the same device it lowers the odds slightly. \nStill that would not prevent me from having the max two faces on the same device.
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I too was nervous about face I.D. before I educated myself by reading. In public you do not want someone to see you type a password.
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If you have time and know something is going to happen before it actually does either restart or even better turn your iPhone off and that increases the protection of the secure enclave of your iPhone.
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Can I second this suggestion? I still use the old 1Password app because it has a PIN
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The government can get a warrant to use your face to unlock a device but cannot force you to give them a password or PIN. I don’t use FACEID on my phone at all.
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Thank you again for the feedback and idea. 🙂
\n\n
-Dave
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Thanks for the reply Dave. I really couldn't ask for more, given that my request was more \"peace of mind\" as you say, than high probability risk-avoidance.
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Thanks for the reply. Even if someone was able to steal your iPhone and unlock the iPhone itself they would then need to find the 1Password app and unlock it separately. You can have 1Password lock more quickly to help protect against this threat: How to set 1Password to lock automatically
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Once someone is willing to use force to get you to unlock your iPhone or 1Password there isn't much that 1Password can do to protect you. If someone is willing to use force to get you to unlock your iPhone or 1Password using Face ID then they'll likely be willing to use the same force to get you to give them your PIN.
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That being said, I can see how requiring a PIN in addition to biometrics could give some folks more peace of mind. While I can't make any promises, I've filed a feature request on your behalf with our product team.
\n\n
-Dave
\n\n
ref: PB-38501878
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Well, I'm thinking of the scenario of some evil-doer unlocking my phone by simply holding it up to my face. I admit, an unlikely event in a mugging or whatever, since I'm not a famous person or someone with national secrets. Perhaps what has me feeling nervous is the ease with which Face ID works, giving potential access to the \"family jewels.\" I know, perhaps silly.
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Thank you for the suggestion! Can you tell me a little more about the threat that you're trying to protect against? Face ID, by default, is very secure and 1Password adds additional protections to increase that security even further. You can read more here:
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