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1Password is using different meters for the Password Generator versus once they're made, which is confusing and annoying as I want all my passwords to be Fantastic as long as the site supports it. Please use the same meter for the generator that you're already using once they're made. I have the same issue on the Windows desktop app and Android. The strength meter is important to help users provide stronger passwords, as discussed in https://1password.community/discussion/19507/understanding-password-strength-meters and in https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/publication/does-my-password-go-up-to-eleven-the-impact-of-password-meters-on-password-selection/

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You can see here the strength meter is full green. I tested increasing characters to 100, and the strength bar stayed full green, no change.
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However after the credential has been saved, 1Password tells me it's only Good, not Fantastic.
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I'm confused why you have two different rating system UIs in the first place. Imo the generator should show exactly the same info as it'll show once saved, maybe like this:
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1Password is using different meters for the Password Generator versus once they're made, which is confusing and annoying as I want all my passwords to be Fantastic as long as the site supports it. Please use the same meter for the generator that you're already using once they're made. I have the same issue on the Windows desktop app and Android. The strength meter is important to help users provide stronger passwords, as discussed in https://1password.community/discussion/19507/understanding-password-strength-meters and in https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/publication/does-my-password-go-up-to-eleven-the-impact-of-password-meters-on-password-selection/

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You can see here the strength meter is full green. I tested increasing characters to 100, and the strength bar stayed full green, no change.
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However after the credential has been saved, 1Password tells me it's only Good, not Fantastic.
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I'm confused why you have two different rating system UIs in the first place. Imo the generator should show exactly the same info as it'll show once saved, maybe like this:
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Former Member A bit of background. I have worked in the tech (computer) environment since 1958. I have had PCs since the introduction of the IBM beast in 1985 and have used various spreadsheets since that time. Currently Excel, from the time it was introduced. I use Excel to capture all information about web sites needing passwords. And in a secured home environment behind firewalls to protect from intrusion. This activity started before I subscribed to 1Password.

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It was April 2014 when I subscribed to 1Password … 1Password 3 for Windows v1.0.xxx. With my annual subscription, I have upgraded over the years and I am running current versions on my PC, iPad and Android phone … all well protected.

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I can fully understand the two rating algorithms but was having difficulty maintaining a “Fantastic” rating with the various passwords I have with my ISP - Bell Canada. Yesterday, I stumbled on the procedure to use in order to maintain the “Fantastic” rating. All is well in my world. :-)

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I have full faith in 1Password … best in class in my opinion. Using Excel to keep information handy is a form of backup.

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Respectfully,

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Bob

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A bit of background. I have worked in the tech (computer) environment since 1958. I have had PCs since the introduction of the IBM beast in 1985 and have used various spreadsheets since that time. Currently Excel, from the time it was introduced. I use Excel to capture all information about web sites needing passwords. And in a secured home environment behind firewalls to protect from intrusion. This activity started before I subscribed to 1Password.

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It was April 2014 when I subscribed to 1Password … 1Password 3 for Windows v1.0.xxx. With my annual subscription, I have upgraded over the years and I am running current versions on my PC, iPad and Android phone … all well protected.

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I can fully understand the two rating algorithms but was having difficulty maintaining a “Fantastic” rating with the various passwords I have with my ISP - Bell Canada. Yesterday, I stumbled on the procedure to use in order to maintain the “Fantastic” rating. All is well in my world. :-)

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I have full faith in 1Password … best in class in my opinion. Using Excel to keep information handy is a form of backup.

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Respectfully,

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Bob

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