Hey Former Member ,
Great question :)
When the entropy is strong enough, patterns are not as important. You can have a predetermined pattern in 16-18 characters long passwords and it will be uncrackable if the passwords are randomly generated with strong entropy in mind, it would take hundreds/thousands of years to crack with current day technology.
We update our smart passwords recipe from time to time according to how well they're being accepted on most websites. Up until recently, it was around 20-21 characters long, and we've reduced it to comply with even more websites, when we can't read the specific requirements of the website, we fall back on our default which is now a 19 characters long password.
You are correct that patterns in passwords could weaken them, but that is only of they were not randomly generated, short and do not contain a mix of lowercase+uppercase+digits+symbols. For example, if you generate passwords that are 12 characters long and contain 4 lower case letters, 4 digits and 4 lower case letters, that would be considerably weaker due to it being shorter and with lesser entropy. You can strengthen Entropy by adding other types of characters (mix uppercase/lowercase, add symbols etc).
You can also find password strength calculators online and paste some of these smart passwords in it to see how the passwords perform there, just make sure not to use these passwords for real later on :)
Hello :)
\nI recently started using the password manager 1Password. Here I see in Windows 10 and Firefox in the browser add-on at the password generator (in each case the current version) the option that is also active by default, Intelligent Password. In addition, the additional info that 1Password suggests a password that meets the requirements of the page. Is actually a really great feature, which I have also used so far on all sites (where it was just possible).
However, last night I noticed that these passwords all have the same length of 19 digits and follow the same pattern:
\n\nbke5YVR*pjb3nmz7duf
\nmwb@djr.MVN4cjh9wda
\nGBX4kbe3mvw.cnf9akh
3 letters, a number/special character, 3 letters, a number/special character, etc.
\n\nAnd since I once read that just randomness is very important in passwords and the entropy must also be high, I seriously wonder to what extent these smart passwords are really secure. After all, in my mind, pattern and random/entropy contradict each other. But I'm also a layman. But can hardly believe that one the company behind 1Password would recommend worse and insecure passwords.
\n\nIs that supposed to be the case?
\nAnd how secure are these passwords then?
1Password Version: 7.7.810
\nExtension Version: 2.0.5
\nOS Version: Windows 10 Pro, 21H1
Hello :)
\nI recently started using the password manager 1Password. Here I see in Windows 10 and Firefox in the browser add-on at the password generator (in each case the current version) the option that is also active by default, Intelligent Password. In addition, the additional info that 1Password suggests a password that meets the requirements of the page. Is actually a really great feature, which I have also used so far on all sites (where it was just possible).
However, last night I noticed that these passwords all have the same length of 19 digits and follow the same pattern:
\n\nbke5YVR*pjb3nmz7duf
\nmailto:mwb@djr.MVN4cjh9wda
\nGBX4kbe3mvw.cnf9akh
3 letters, a number/special character, 3 letters, a number/special character, etc.
\n\nAnd since I once read that just randomness is very important in passwords and the entropy must also be high, I seriously wonder to what extent these smart passwords are really secure. After all, in my mind, pattern and random/entropy contradict each other. But I'm also a layman. But can hardly believe that one the company behind 1Password would recommend worse and insecure passwords.
\n\nIs that supposed to be the case?
\nAnd how secure are these passwords then?
1Password Version: 7.7.810
\nExtension Version: 2.0.5
\nOS Version: Windows 10 Pro, 21H1
Hey Former Member ,
\nGreat question :)
When the entropy is strong enough, patterns are not as important. You can have a predetermined pattern in 16-18 characters long passwords and it will be uncrackable if the passwords are randomly generated with strong entropy in mind, it would take hundreds/thousands of years to crack with current day technology.
\n\nWe update our smart passwords recipe from time to time according to how well they're being accepted on most websites. Up until recently, it was around 20-21 characters long, and we've reduced it to comply with even more websites, when we can't read the specific requirements of the website, we fall back on our default which is now a 19 characters long password.
\n\nYou are correct that patterns in passwords could weaken them, but that is only of they were not randomly generated, short and do not contain a mix of lowercase+uppercase+digits+symbols. For example, if you generate passwords that are 12 characters long and contain 4 lower case letters, 4 digits and 4 lower case letters, that would be considerably weaker due to it being shorter and with lesser entropy. You can strengthen Entropy by adding other types of characters (mix uppercase/lowercase, add symbols etc).
\n\nYou can also find password strength calculators online and paste some of these smart passwords in it to see how the passwords perform there, just make sure not to use these passwords for real later on :)
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\nGreat question :)
When the entropy is strong enough, patterns are not as important. You can have a predetermined pattern in 16-18 characters long passwords and it will be uncrackable if the passwords are randomly generated with strong entropy in mind, it would take hundreds/thousands of years to crack with current day technology.
\n\nWe update our smart passwords recipe from time to time according to how well they're being accepted on most websites. Up until recently, it was around 20-21 characters long, and we've reduced it to comply with even more websites, when we can't read the specific requirements of the website, we fall back on our default which is now a 19 characters long password.
\n\nYou are correct that patterns in passwords could weaken them, but that is only of they were not randomly generated, short and do not contain a mix of lowercase+uppercase+digits+symbols. For example, if you generate passwords that are 12 characters long and contain 4 lower case letters, 4 digits and 4 lower case letters, that would be considerably weaker due to it being shorter and with lesser entropy. You can strengthen Entropy by adding other types of characters (mix uppercase/lowercase, add symbols etc).
\n\nYou can also find password strength calculators online and paste some of these smart passwords in it to see how the passwords perform there, just make sure not to use these passwords for real later on :)
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