Appreciating that everyone here is overworked and overtaxed by the new release (1P 8), deciding whether or not to stay with 1P is a big and important decision - for all us loyal users.
So may I as...
Thanks for continuing to engage here. I'd like to hit on a few points:
thanks! yes! of course it helps.
Awesome. I'm glad to hear it does. I think for most people they just want to know that the app operates smoothly and doesn't make their system slow, but as someone who self-identifies as a "power user" I can understand some of the desire to hear more about the "feeds and speeds," as it were. I think Apple Silicon has completely turned our notions about memory usage on its head though. I replaced an Intel iMac with 32GB of RAM with an M1 Mac Mini with 8GB of RAM and it keeps up with the same workload. In fact, the M1 outperforms the Intel machine that has 4x its memory. This is why I say I don't know how valuable those numbers really are.
Please understand that, as much as you tell us that the app "feels right" and doesn't make the system slower, these numbers show that the app is not using excessive resources, which is really important when running a lot of other things like word processors, or several apps from adobe, or logic and final cut...
For sure. As I mentioned above I'm probably doing a lot more multi-tasking than the target audience for this little M1 Mac Mini with 8GB of RAM, and even under the most stressful conditions for 1Password I'm not experiencing any slowdowns. Many of the apps I'm running are the ones accused of being "memory hogs." On top of what I mentioned above, I do some "lite" development work (I'm not a developer, I just play one on the weekends), photo & video editing, and even some casual gaming (World of Warcraft, Hearthstone). I have no problem having 1Password open when doing these things.
Admittedly I'm not sure I could do all of that on an Intel Mac with 8GB of RAM, but I think that is more a commentary on M1 vs Intel, rather than a commentary on 1Password.
I'm running normally on a 32GB M1 max MacBook Pro, and have a secondary i9 16GB one, but the rest of my family are running on either 8GB M1s or older intel MacBook Pros with 16GB RAM (asked about 8 because some ppl asking me are running on smaller intel laptops). The numbers you provided, completely dismissed my concerns about the move to electron! :)
I have a 2018 MacBook Air (Intel, obviously) with 16GB of RAM. Admittedly, it is a little sluggish, especially when compared with my 2020 Mac Mini M1 with 8GB of RAM. It is a little sluggish even if I uninstall 1Password though, so again I think this is more commentary on the hardware and how it has held up than on any one app.
so when 1Password 8 is available in the Mac App Store I will definitely upgrade, and also recommend my family and anyone asking to do so.
I want to be clear: I can't promise that is going to happen, and so I wouldn't encourage you to hold out.
There is an auto-updater built into 1Password 8 which will prompt the user to restart the app to complete. I realize that may not be quite as convenient as the App Store for your use case, but I'd argue it is the next best thing.
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decision: 1P 8","id":"message:104150","entityType":"FORUM_TOPIC","eventPath":"category:discuss/community:cuxzj43862board:1password/message:104150","revisionNum":1,"repliesCount":39,"author":{"__ref":"User:user:15469"},"depth":0,"hasGivenKudo":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:1password"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:104150"},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"showMoveIndicator":false,"moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:104150"},"body@stripHtml({\"truncateLength\":200})":" Appreciating that everyone here is overworked and overtaxed by the new release (1P 8), deciding whether or not to stay with 1P is a big and important decision - for all us loyal users. \n\n So may I as...","body@stringLength":"1295","rawBody":"
Appreciating that everyone here is overworked and overtaxed by the new release (1P 8), deciding whether or not to stay with 1P is a big and important decision - for all us loyal users.
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So may I ask for opinions, please… I have also spent hours reading around the subject and looked at virtually all the alternatives.
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But I really like 1P, AB as a company and the level and friendly nature of the support I've always had in the many years during which I've been 99% happy with 1P.
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If I upgrade to 1P 8, will I still have a truly 'local' vault… one **on my machine **over which I have control - to access it during an Internet outage, back it up and keep it where I want it? I have read conflicting answers to that question. (I am not too concerned about vaults' security because I trust the encryption.)
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How detrimental to a dedicated Mac user is the Electron environment; is 1P 8 as stable and robust, reliable and usable as 1P has always been?
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Any informed and objective pointers gratefully received?
Appreciating that everyone here is overworked and overtaxed by the new release (1P 8), deciding whether or not to stay with 1P is a big and important decision - for all us loyal users.
\n\n
So may I ask for opinions, please… I have also spent hours reading around the subject and looked at virtually all the alternatives.
\n\n
But I really like 1P, AB as a company and the level and friendly nature of the support I've always had in the many years during which I've been 99% happy with 1P.
\n\n
If I upgrade to 1P 8, will I still have a truly 'local' vault… one **on my machine **over which I have control - to access it during an Internet outage, back it up and keep it where I want it? I have read conflicting answers to that question. (I am not too concerned about vaults' security because I trust the encryption.)
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How detrimental to a dedicated Mac user is the Electron environment; is 1P 8 as stable and robust, reliable and usable as 1P has always been?
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Any informed and objective pointers gratefully received?
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Hi folks,
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Thanks for continuing to engage here. I'd like to hit on a few points:
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thanks! yes! of course it helps.
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Awesome. I'm glad to hear it does. I think for most people they just want to know that the app operates smoothly and doesn't make their system slow, but as someone who self-identifies as a \"power user\" I can understand some of the desire to hear more about the \"feeds and speeds,\" as it were. I think Apple Silicon has completely turned our notions about memory usage on its head though. I replaced an Intel iMac with 32GB of RAM with an M1 Mac Mini with 8GB of RAM and it keeps up with the same workload. In fact, the M1 outperforms the Intel machine that has 4x its memory. This is why I say I don't know how valuable those numbers really are.
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Please understand that, as much as you tell us that the app \"feels right\" and doesn't make the system slower, these numbers show that the app is not using excessive resources, which is really important when running a lot of other things like word processors, or several apps from adobe, or logic and final cut...
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For sure. As I mentioned above I'm probably doing a lot more multi-tasking than the target audience for this little M1 Mac Mini with 8GB of RAM, and even under the most stressful conditions for 1Password I'm not experiencing any slowdowns. Many of the apps I'm running are the ones accused of being \"memory hogs.\" On top of what I mentioned above, I do some \"lite\" development work (I'm not a developer, I just play one on the weekends), photo & video editing, and even some casual gaming (World of Warcraft, Hearthstone). I have no problem having 1Password open when doing these things.
\n\n
Admittedly I'm not sure I could do all of that on an Intel Mac with 8GB of RAM, but I think that is more a commentary on M1 vs Intel, rather than a commentary on 1Password.
\n\n
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I'm running normally on a 32GB M1 max MacBook Pro, and have a secondary i9 16GB one, but the rest of my family are running on either 8GB M1s or older intel MacBook Pros with 16GB RAM (asked about 8 because some ppl asking me are running on smaller intel laptops). The numbers you provided, completely dismissed my concerns about the move to electron! :)
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I have a 2018 MacBook Air (Intel, obviously) with 16GB of RAM. Admittedly, it is a little sluggish, especially when compared with my 2020 Mac Mini M1 with 8GB of RAM. It is a little sluggish even if I uninstall 1Password though, so again I think this is more commentary on the hardware and how it has held up than on any one app.
\n\n
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so when 1Password 8 is available in the Mac App Store I will definitely upgrade, and also recommend my family and anyone asking to do so.
\n
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I want to be clear: I can't promise that is going to happen, and so I wouldn't encourage you to hold out.
\n\n
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There is an auto-updater built into 1Password 8 which will prompt the user to restart the app to complete. I realize that may not be quite as convenient as the App Store for your use case, but I'd argue it is the next best thing.
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Ben
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Hi folks,
\n\n
Thanks for continuing to engage here. I'd like to hit on a few points:
\n\n
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thanks! yes! of course it helps.
\n
\n\n
Awesome. I'm glad to hear it does. I think for most people they just want to know that the app operates smoothly and doesn't make their system slow, but as someone who self-identifies as a \"power user\" I can understand some of the desire to hear more about the \"feeds and speeds,\" as it were. I think Apple Silicon has completely turned our notions about memory usage on its head though. I replaced an Intel iMac with 32GB of RAM with an M1 Mac Mini with 8GB of RAM and it keeps up with the same workload. In fact, the M1 outperforms the Intel machine that has 4x its memory. This is why I say I don't know how valuable those numbers really are.
\n\n
\n
Please understand that, as much as you tell us that the app \"feels right\" and doesn't make the system slower, these numbers show that the app is not using excessive resources, which is really important when running a lot of other things like word processors, or several apps from adobe, or logic and final cut...
\n
\n\n
For sure. As I mentioned above I'm probably doing a lot more multi-tasking than the target audience for this little M1 Mac Mini with 8GB of RAM, and even under the most stressful conditions for 1Password I'm not experiencing any slowdowns. Many of the apps I'm running are the ones accused of being \"memory hogs.\" On top of what I mentioned above, I do some \"lite\" development work (I'm not a developer, I just play one on the weekends), photo & video editing, and even some casual gaming (World of Warcraft, Hearthstone). I have no problem having 1Password open when doing these things.
\n\n
Admittedly I'm not sure I could do all of that on an Intel Mac with 8GB of RAM, but I think that is more a commentary on M1 vs Intel, rather than a commentary on 1Password.
\n\n
\n
I'm running normally on a 32GB M1 max MacBook Pro, and have a secondary i9 16GB one, but the rest of my family are running on either 8GB M1s or older intel MacBook Pros with 16GB RAM (asked about 8 because some ppl asking me are running on smaller intel laptops). The numbers you provided, completely dismissed my concerns about the move to electron! :)
\n
\n\n
I have a 2018 MacBook Air (Intel, obviously) with 16GB of RAM. Admittedly, it is a little sluggish, especially when compared with my 2020 Mac Mini M1 with 8GB of RAM. It is a little sluggish even if I uninstall 1Password though, so again I think this is more commentary on the hardware and how it has held up than on any one app.
\n\n
\n
so when 1Password 8 is available in the Mac App Store I will definitely upgrade, and also recommend my family and anyone asking to do so.
\n
\n\n
I want to be clear: I can't promise that is going to happen, and so I wouldn't encourage you to hold out.
\n\n
\n\n
There is an auto-updater built into 1Password 8 which will prompt the user to restart the app to complete. I realize that may not be quite as convenient as the App Store for your use case, but I'd argue it is the next best thing.
\n\n
Ben
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