Big decision: 1P 8

I have been a 1Password user since the beginning. I've never bothered to register on this forum. I generally don't post anywhere.

As a developer myself I feared 1Password 8 switching to Electron. I even uninstalled 1Password, cancelled my subscription and switched to another solution.

I decided to try version 8 when it left beta, and I like it better than 7 or previous versions. Is it perfect? No. Does it have some warts? Yes. Will AgileBits improve it? Yes I believe they will.

I echo try its for yourself, my experience surprised me.

"It won't take more than half a day is my guess." It might take as little as 10 minutes. That's how quickly it took me. Everything listed above is spot on. v8 is like AB was hacked by another company to make 1PW so horrible that they would loose customers. Really, v8 feels like it was released by another company, not AB.

Mark_Sealey look at the 1pw community Mac forum entries... you will see hundreds of posts with issues where v8 is basically unusuable. We had customers migrate away from 1pw because of v8, they were simply to frustrated. Downgrading to v7 is possible but not a solution. v8 has a ton of new features and a shiny new User Interface. to achieve that AB has simply not implemented many features that are used very often every day.

You're WAY overthinking this.

Quit v8 completely (menu bar, etc). Install 7. Now you want your browser freshly to link to the v7 you just reinstalled, so you restart it.

I didn't have to change my classic browser add-in at all. But I did have to have it dump any memory of v8 and re-link with v7.

And in fact, to install v8 you would completely quit v7, install v8, restart your browser, and Bob's your uncle.

In this single regard, AB did a good job. There's no secret handshake to move up to v8 or down to v7. It Just Works. Thank God.

Is there some problem with restarting your browser?

why are you concerned about where the dependent files live? That's what I mean by overthinking it.

adam1991,

… brutally simple just to install v7 again, restart your browser …

Why would I have to restart my browser; to re-install the (Safari) extensions?

How about where all the dependent files live?

Thanks!

@ben: _I think we've delivered a beautiful and functional app that we're quite proud to call 1Password.
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ummmmmm.....no.

I'm 100% with abriden on this.

Mark, it's no big deal to install 8 and see what you think. Don't listen to us. See for yourself. I'm guessing you'll come back and agree with us. It won't take more than half a day is my guess. And it's brutally simple just to install v7 again, restart your browser, and be back to where you were.

Mark_Sealey It would seem that the only close approximation to Mini is confined to Safari, but the pop-up window is fixed to the position of the toolbar button and it is not resizable, hence it obscures webpage content — to make matters worse the text size is too large and therefore almost all items in the 'suggestions' list have truncated names. Unusable if you have multiple items with similar names.

It is possible to specifically update a website name and add an additional one beneath any that exist in that section. What you cannot do is add in a field between existing ones in any given section or add a section between others, or change the field-type of an existing field in situ, or rearrange fields and sections to maintain consistency between Items.

In the Quick Search interface one feels the intuitive urge to select an item from the list with the mouse, but doing so opens, fills and auto-submits the selected item instead of displaying its details in the window — to avoid doing this one has to navigate with the keyboard only. Also, one should be able to open a webpage and fill the fields without auto-submitting as with 1Password 7 — but you can't.

The Electron/Rust underpinnings are undoubtedly responsible for some of the limitations and non-standard behaviour in 1Password 8 and so it would seem that AB are happy to sacrifice functionality for the lowest common denominator.

Apparently a unified code-base is less work for its developers — it must be tough for a one-product company valued at over $6billion !!

And yes, fortunately reverting to 1Password would seem to be painless.

Thanks, @abriden .

1. 1P mini… no longer in the task bar?
2. so it's not possible to change a 'website 2' field('s name?) to, say, 'website 1' as a URL becomes outdated?
3. I never relied on 1P 7 working with every site - especially for a 'Remember me' checkbox etc. I never expected it to cope with CAPTCHA
4. that's more than just cosmetic?
5. Electron?

I think you're right: I shall just have to try it.

Reverting to 7? Easy and safe?

Mark_Sealey Essential funtionality removed (not exhaustive):

1. Mini interface — whereby one could search, select and view details in a single screen.
2. Edit mode — in the main app one can no longer reorder fields or change field-type as requirements change.
3. Autofill AND forced autosubmit — cannot cope with capcha dialogues, remember me, email marketing fields, etc.
4. Sidebar dysfunction — confusing clash between sidebar selections and dropdown item-selector in main column, and inexplicably placed Vault section divorced from Account/Collections.
5. Non-native — web-based interface elements, non-native interactions and behaviour.

I'm afraid you're going to have to try it yourself to fully appreciate how fundermentally flawed 1Password 8 really is. Rest assured though, you can revert to version 7 when your frustrations reach their limit.

1P_Tommy ,

… if anyone has any questions, please ask …

I'd like to give 1P 8 a try.

So, re versions: I currently have a version from the AgileBits store on my MacBook Pro and the MAS version (7.9.4) on my iMac (12.3.1). (As well as for iOS.)

If I https://1password.com/downloads/mac/ and install version 8 from the AgileBits store on my iMac, will that dmg transparently overwrite the MAS version in such a way that I can be 100% certain of no data loss?

And will my subscription (due for renewal next month, June 2022 on the MAS) be transferred to you at AgileBits (before then)?

Lastly, because I have versions of 1P going back almost to its beginning, (how) can I safely remove dependent files from - presumably - ~/Library* so that I only have one set of data in (as https://1password.community/discussion/comment/640903/#Comment_640903) ~/Library/Application Support/1Password 4/Data/OnePassword.sqlite