If I use a passkey aren't I making my login less secure?
I understand a lot of the benefits that passkeys offer such as domain spoofing etc but it seems to me that if I migrate to them that I am making things less secure.
If I currently log in to somesi...
you are not missing something.
This topic has been discussed with the saving of 2FA in 1P (search in the forum for a good read).
It is multiple things at the same time :
usability, convenience vs extra-security
In the end, it all depends on the risks you think you might face (with any solution).
In fact, it is the security of the device where 1P is installed which count (1P itself is really good).
1P is offering a huge convenience in usage with the passkey but I agree it feels a little too easy.
When passkey safe stored in a system, they are not in easily portable to another. 1P solves that and will extend it over time.
If you are the kind of person who use a double blind password(pwd stored in 1P should be completed each time with your own salt): you might feel unsafe.
I would like to suggest the dev to add an option to validate the usage of passkey (even some items or 2FA stored in 1P) via another device, a fingerprint or something else.
This would be optional and per item eventually.
For now, nobody is forcing you to use passkeys. So, it is up to you to use passkey in 1P or not.
Still your accounts are all tied to your email or phone number. From a security perspective, access to it must be strictly secured (i.e. if preview is allowed for emails / sms on your phone screen notifications > that might be enough to reset am account password).
With multiple devices, each one can be the weak point...
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I understand a lot of the benefits that passkeys offer such as domain spoofing etc but it seems to me that if I migrate to them that I am making things less secure.
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If I currently log in to somesite.com, 1Password auto-fills my email and password. I then have the site set up to prompt me for a time-based token from the authenticator app on my phone.
\n\n
So I have 2 layers of security that are separated from each other. If my 1Password account was ever compromised my 2FA would still afford me some level of protection.
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With a passkey, I lose the second part of this as everything is handled by 1Password in the browser. Anyone gaining access to my 1Password account would have everything they needed.
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Or is the idea with a passkey that we should still retain traditional 2FA procedures? I haven't really seen this discussed anywhere.
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What would seem ideal is 1Password in the browser signs me in using a passkey but the 1Password app on my iPhone asks me to confirm it too, much like Google does with the Youtube app.
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Am I missing something here?
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I understand a lot of the benefits that passkeys offer such as domain spoofing etc but it seems to me that if I migrate to them that I am making things less secure.
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If I currently log in to somesite.com, 1Password auto-fills my email and password. I then have the site set up to prompt me for a time-based token from the authenticator app on my phone.
\n\n
So I have 2 layers of security that are separated from each other. If my 1Password account was ever compromised my 2FA would still afford me some level of protection.
\n\n
With a passkey, I lose the second part of this as everything is handled by 1Password in the browser. Anyone gaining access to my 1Password account would have everything they needed.
\n\n
Or is the idea with a passkey that we should still retain traditional 2FA procedures? I haven't really seen this discussed anywhere.
\n\n
What would seem ideal is 1Password in the browser signs me in using a passkey but the 1Password app on my iPhone asks me to confirm it too, much like Google does with the Youtube app.
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Am I missing something here?
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Hi,
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you are not missing something. \nThis topic has been discussed with the saving of 2FA in 1P (search in the forum for a good read).
\n\n
It is multiple things at the same time : \nusability, convenience vs extra-security
\n\n
In the end, it all depends on the risks you think you might face (with any solution).
\n\n
In fact, it is the security of the device where 1P is installed which count (1P itself is really good).
\n\n
1P is offering a huge convenience in usage with the passkey but I agree it feels a little too easy.
\n\n
When passkey safe stored in a system, they are not in easily portable to another. 1P solves that and will extend it over time.
\n\n
If you are the kind of person who use a double blind password(pwd stored in 1P should be completed each time with your own salt): you might feel unsafe.
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I would like to suggest the dev to add an option to validate the usage of passkey (even some items or 2FA stored in 1P) via another device, a fingerprint or something else. \nThis would be optional and per item eventually.
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For now, nobody is forcing you to use passkeys. So, it is up to you to use passkey in 1P or not.
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Still your accounts are all tied to your email or phone number. From a security perspective, access to it must be strictly secured (i.e. if preview is allowed for emails / sms on your phone screen notifications > that might be enough to reset am account password).
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With multiple devices, each one can be the weak point...
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Hi,
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you are not missing something. \nThis topic has been discussed with the saving of 2FA in 1P (search in the forum for a good read).
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It is multiple things at the same time : \nusability, convenience vs extra-security
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In the end, it all depends on the risks you think you might face (with any solution).
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In fact, it is the security of the device where 1P is installed which count (1P itself is really good).
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1P is offering a huge convenience in usage with the passkey but I agree it feels a little too easy.
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When passkey safe stored in a system, they are not in easily portable to another. 1P solves that and will extend it over time.
\n\n
If you are the kind of person who use a double blind password(pwd stored in 1P should be completed each time with your own salt): you might feel unsafe.
\n\n
I would like to suggest the dev to add an option to validate the usage of passkey (even some items or 2FA stored in 1P) via another device, a fingerprint or something else. \nThis would be optional and per item eventually.
\n\n
For now, nobody is forcing you to use passkeys. So, it is up to you to use passkey in 1P or not.
\n\n
Still your accounts are all tied to your email or phone number. From a security perspective, access to it must be strictly secured (i.e. if preview is allowed for emails / sms on your phone screen notifications > that might be enough to reset am account password).
\n\n
With multiple devices, each one can be the weak point...
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