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4 years ago

Is Electron really that bad? And if so, is it the same Wrapper for Windows based users?

I am seeing a lot of hate toward Electron, but I'm not a Mac user. As a Windows, I must ask if the hate is the same or is Electron better on Windows? What was the decision to choose Electron over ano...
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4 years ago

@TheCowGoesWoof

We're not using Electron for the heavy lifting in our app. Instead essentially all of the non-UI elements are handled in Rust (or Swift, for macOS specific features). It would be more fair to call it a Rust app with an Electron driven UI. This significantly reduces the chances that any potential issues in Electron have meaningful impact on 1Password. Additionally we've built an (open source) Electron hardner that we're using to help reduce that chance even further.

1Password/electron-hardener: A fast and small Rust library to make Electron apps more secure.

In short: we're careful about the ways in which we use Electron, and we've also taken additional steps to reduce any potential threats. I hope that helps!

Ben

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I am seeing a lot of hate toward Electron, but I'm not a Mac user. As a Windows, I must ask if the hate is the same or is Electron better on Windows? What was the decision to choose Electron over another choice?

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@TheCowGoesWoof

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We're not using Electron for the heavy lifting in our app. Instead essentially all of the non-UI elements are handled in Rust (or Swift, for macOS specific features). It would be more fair to call it a Rust app with an Electron driven UI. This significantly reduces the chances that any potential issues in Electron have meaningful impact on 1Password. Additionally we've built an (open source) Electron hardner that we're using to help reduce that chance even further.

\n\n

1Password/electron-hardener: A fast and small Rust library to make Electron apps more secure.

\n\n

In short: we're careful about the ways in which we use Electron, and we've also taken additional steps to reduce any potential threats. I hope that helps!

\n\n

Ben

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@TheCowGoesWoof

\n\n

We're not using Electron for the heavy lifting in our app. Instead essentially all of the non-UI elements are handled in Rust (or Swift, for macOS specific features). It would be more fair to call it a Rust app with an Electron driven UI. This significantly reduces the chances that any potential issues in Electron have meaningful impact on 1Password. Additionally we've built an (open source) Electron hardner that we're using to help reduce that chance even further.

\n\n

1Password/electron-hardener: A fast and small Rust library to make Electron apps more secure.

\n\n

In short: we're careful about the ways in which we use Electron, and we've also taken additional steps to reduce any potential threats. I hope that helps!

\n\n

Ben

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