Hi, thanks for updating the interface of 1password for windows, i have immediately subscribed after checking, great job. But unfortunately, it is impossible to open a local vault that we had on 1password 7. There are some passwords which we are not allowed to sync to cloud (for work), hence they must stay local, and personal passwords that I want to sync to cloud. It would be very nice if opening a local vault on 1password 8. Is it planned or will not be possible ever? Thanks. 1Password Version: 8 Extension Version: Not Provided OS Version: windows 10

Hi @benwade Thank you for your interest in 1Password 8. I understand the concern regarding the lack of standalone vaults in this version. In case it is helpful, I wanted to outline some of the important aspects of how we handle your data. 1Password always works from a local copy of your data. Data you enter is encrypted before it is saved into this local database. The database is stored on your computer, and syncs when you are online. This means you can access your data while you're offline (or in the event that we are offline). The Secret Key - This is explained more fully in our security white paper, but the short explanation is that if someone were to guess or bruteforce your account password, that still wouldn't be enough to get your data. The Secret Key provides a serious safeguard against this, and the mathematical complexity that it puts in an attacker's path is essentially insurmountable with current attack methods and hardware. It makes it such that even if someone could steal everything from our servers, they wouldn't be able to access any secrets you've stored in 1Password. This key is not available to us, either, so even in the case of a malicious employee with the highest levels of access, your data is protected. We put our trust in encryption rather than authentication. This is because, in short, "Encryption means that 1Password does not face the kinds of threats a largely authentication-based system would face, and we have used an authentication mechanism that defends against many of the threats faced by many other systems." You can read more about this, if you're interested, in our short guide here: https://support.1password.com/authentication-encryption/ We undergo security audits and pen tests, which you can find here: https://support.1password.com/security-assessments/ In short, we have made 1Password as secure as possible, keep the ability to unlock your data out of our own hands, collect nothing besides what's needed to run the service, and continually have our security tested for weaknesses. One of our founders, Dave, wrote about why we're moving away from standalone vaults and to membership exclusively, here. While of course you are ultimately the final judge of what's best (or perhaps even necessary based on policies etc) for your situation, I hope this provides some helpful context for how we're doing things now and going forward. Ben

I have the same issue as Ben - my employer has strict requirements for where their secrets may be stored, with strong regulatory and industry specific attestations required - beyond the SOC2 that you attest to. If you had a docker container / local server option - even if that server required a phone-home for licensing purposes- that would enable my continued usage of Version 8.

There's a survey in progress here concerning self-hosting : https://survey.1password.com/self-host/

Yep; indeed. Thanks for calling that out, @"J.M"! @"Joshua Samuel" I'd encourage you to participate in the survey. This will help us gauge the level of interest in such a solution, and help us determine feasibility. Ben

1P_Ben Will the 1Password iOS app be updated to version 8, or will a separate version be added to the App Store? I wish to stay on stand-alone, Wi-Fi synced, vaults for now in version 7. I’m concerned having app auto-update on will leave me stuck on the new version!

Local Vault | 1Password Community

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Jack_P_1P
1Password Team
4 years ago
Thanks for being with us for so many years @blaukraut. Stay safe out there, and if you decide to give us another shot, we'll be here. :smile:
Former Member
4 years ago
I am really sad to hear that the 1 password team is dropping the support for the local vault sync in version 8. I have been using 1Password for 12 years now and was always pleased with it and I have recommended to colleagues friends and family. But if the 1 password team won't reconsider their decision I will stick with version 7 for now and will look for alternatives. If I am forced into a cloud solution I can use apples free keychain as well.
1P_Ben
1Password Team
4 years ago
I'm sorry for the confusion caused. In some ways we've adopted the terminology folks have been using in order to facilitate the communication. "Local" isn't a word that I would choose to use in reference to standalone vaults, as it implies that the data 1Password is working with when using a membership isn't on your device. This is incorrect. 1Password always works from a local database, which is then synced with the server when you're online. It also implies that the data doesn't leave the device, which is also often incorrect, as folks more often than not used iCloud or Dropbox to sync their standalone vaults to their other devices.

Vaults that are exclusively "local," and don't sync anywhere, are not part of our business model at this time. We have lots of experience with that, and after evaluating all of the pros and cons have decided that moving forward it isn't something we're going to support. There is still consideration for self-hosting the 1Password service, which may allow for most/all of the benefits of 1Password.com, while still meeting the demand for on-prem. There is a survey available on that subject here.

Ben
Former Member
4 years ago
I'm a bit confused about the use of 'standalone' and 'local' and the references to Dave's post. I understand the point of making everyone use subscriptions and I've had one for ages, but why does that mean we can't have a local vault?

Anyway, I'd like to add a vote for keeping local vaults. I'm using the online version of 1password privately, but my job requires me to save my passwords offline. If I can't use local vaults, I'd have to use another service.
Jack_P_1P
1Password Team
4 years ago
Hi @zzzamboni:

Thanks for your input here. As I mentioned above, you (or an appropriate decision maker at your organization if necessary) can email us at business@1password.com and our business team would be happy to chat about this!

Jack
Former Member
4 years ago
I would like to add another vote for local vaults, and for the same reason cited by ljohnston, @benwade and others. I currently use 1Password 7 with a family subscription for my personal stuff, and with a local vault for my work-related credentials, since my employer has strict policies about this. With 1P7 this is easy, but makes it impossible for me to migrate to 1P8. I hope you can reconsider the possibility of adding support for local vaults in a future version of 1P.
Jack_P_1P
1Password Team
4 years ago
Hi ljohnston:

Thanks for your feedback here including your use case. Additionally, as my colleague Peter mentioned above, you, or an appropriate decision maker if necessary, can email us at business@1password.com with a link to this discussion and our business team would be happy to connect!

Jack
ljohnston
New Contributor
4 years ago
Just learned of this decision to drop local vaults from 1password 8 and am so disappointed! I am in the same situation as many others here... my employer forbids storage of any passwords in the cloud. That made 1password a no brainer as I could use a local vault at work and still use the cloud for my personal stuff. Because of that support for local vaults, 1password was on the "approved" list of password managers at work. That approval will definitely go away - storage of passwords in the cloud is a non-starter. And we're talking about a company with well over 100,000 employees worldwide.
1P_PeterG
Community Manager
4 years ago
@davido1138 , I'd love to connect you with our specialist team to discuss this issue. Could you (or an appropriate decision-maker) email us at business@1Password.com with a link to this discussion? Our team members will be happy to connect with you!
1P_PeterG
Community Manager
4 years ago
@davido1138 thanks for this thoughtful feedback and the specifics of your use case. I have passed it along to our developers.

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