Hello 1Password Team,
I have installed 1Password 8 my iPhone and my computer Windows and they are working well except that when I want to create a item I can’t select a icon. I only have the defaul...
Hi @jmach_jim, I'm sorry you ran into trouble with password strength indicator (and Watchtower alert). This is something we worked hard on in 1Password 8, but there are a few cases where we still run into problems. Let me explain…
To keep 1Password responsive, we record the strength of your password when you change it (either by using our Strong Password Generator or by entering your own password). Doing this means that we don't have to re-calculate the strength of each Item's password every time you unlock the app. However, if (for example) an old version of 1Password had a bug that prevented a password change from also recording the correct password strength, you'd end up with an item whose actual password strength was quite different from the indicated strength.
I'm not 100% sure if such a bug existed in previous versions of 1Password, but it's certainly possible via some edge case.
As you've already discovered, getting things back in line is fairly straightforward:
1. Edit the item and change the password to something else (even a one-letter change is fine)
2. Save the item
3. Edit the item again and change the password back, if desired, and save
That will record the correct password strength and should also do away with the Watchtower alert.
Sorry for the inconvenience, please let us know if those steps don't work for you, or if you run into any more trouble 💜
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Hello, \nThis message is rather meant as information for 1Password users than a question (as the topic was discussed this week with 1Password support via email).
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Last year I created a password for my broker account using 1Password engine. Because at least 1 number and 1 capital letter were required, I have added a number and changed one letter to a capital. This week I recognized that the password is assessed as \"Terrible\" by the 1Password Watchtower (see the screenshot \nThe initially generated password was \"qigwu-rizxev-kapcun\". After modification, it changed to \"qigwu7-rizxeV-kapcun\". In this case, the modification should keep/upgrade the password, not downgrade it to \"Terrible\" (in my opinion).
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I have contacted the 1Password support and got a reply \"...if you type your own password, modify a generated password, or even copy a generated password from another source and add it to 1Password yourself, the rating will go down because 1Password has no way of knowing that it's truly unique and random.\" I am not of this opinion in this particular case. To be assessed as \"Terrible\" you need a password like \"house\" or \"123456\". That's far away from \"qigwu7-rizxeV-kapcun\"
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I believe there are 3 options: \n1. 1Password engine generates weak passwords, and Watchtower correctly assesses low password quality (that would be scary) \n2. Modifying or inserting your own password leads to an assessment of a \"Terrible\" because 1Password has no way of knowing that it's unique and random. \n3. There is a bug in the Watchtower assessment algorithm - even strong passwords are assessed (at least in some cases) as \"Terrible\".
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I am not a crypto expert, but I think the 3rd option is correct. Still, it was not confirmed by 1Password team (although I raised it). I have created a test login in 1Password and inserted my \"Terrible\" password \"qigwu7-rizxeV-kapcun\". It was assessed as \"Fantastic\" (see below). The same password is assessed (at the same time) as \"Terrible\" and \"Fantastic\". I guess there is some improvement opportunity. If so, users should not be automatically stressed if password is assessed as low-quality.
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Hello, \nThis message is rather meant as information for 1Password users than a question (as the topic was discussed this week with 1Password support via email).
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Last year I created a password for my broker account using 1Password engine. Because at least 1 number and 1 capital letter were required, I have added a number and changed one letter to a capital. This week I recognized that the password is assessed as \"Terrible\" by the 1Password Watchtower (see the screenshot \nThe initially generated password was \"qigwu-rizxev-kapcun\". After modification, it changed to \"qigwu7-rizxeV-kapcun\". In this case, the modification should keep/upgrade the password, not downgrade it to \"Terrible\" (in my opinion).
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I have contacted the 1Password support and got a reply \"...if you type your own password, modify a generated password, or even copy a generated password from another source and add it to 1Password yourself, the rating will go down because 1Password has no way of knowing that it's truly unique and random.\" I am not of this opinion in this particular case. To be assessed as \"Terrible\" you need a password like \"house\" or \"123456\". That's far away from \"qigwu7-rizxeV-kapcun\"
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I believe there are 3 options: \n1. 1Password engine generates weak passwords, and Watchtower correctly assesses low password quality (that would be scary) \n2. Modifying or inserting your own password leads to an assessment of a \"Terrible\" because 1Password has no way of knowing that it's unique and random. \n3. There is a bug in the Watchtower assessment algorithm - even strong passwords are assessed (at least in some cases) as \"Terrible\".
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I am not a crypto expert, but I think the 3rd option is correct. Still, it was not confirmed by 1Password team (although I raised it). I have created a test login in 1Password and inserted my \"Terrible\" password \"qigwu7-rizxeV-kapcun\". It was assessed as \"Fantastic\" (see below). The same password is assessed (at the same time) as \"Terrible\" and \"Fantastic\". I guess there is some improvement opportunity. If so, users should not be automatically stressed if password is assessed as low-quality.
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Hi @jmach_jim, I'm sorry you ran into trouble with password strength indicator (and Watchtower alert). This is something we worked hard on in 1Password 8, but there are a few cases where we still run into problems. Let me explain…
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To keep 1Password responsive, we record the strength of your password when you change it (either by using our Strong Password Generator or by entering your own password). Doing this means that we don't have to re-calculate the strength of each Item's password every time you unlock the app. However, if (for example) an old version of 1Password had a bug that prevented a password change from also recording the correct password strength, you'd end up with an item whose actual password strength was quite different from the indicated strength.
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I'm not 100% sure if such a bug existed in previous versions of 1Password, but it's certainly possible via some edge case.
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As you've already discovered, getting things back in line is fairly straightforward: \n1. Edit the item and change the password to something else (even a one-letter change is fine) \n2. Save the item \n3. Edit the item again and change the password back, if desired, and save
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That will record the correct password strength and should also do away with the Watchtower alert.
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Sorry for the inconvenience, please let us know if those steps don't work for you, or if you run into any more trouble 💜
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Hi @jmach_jim, I'm sorry you ran into trouble with password strength indicator (and Watchtower alert). This is something we worked hard on in 1Password 8, but there are a few cases where we still run into problems. Let me explain…
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To keep 1Password responsive, we record the strength of your password when you change it (either by using our Strong Password Generator or by entering your own password). Doing this means that we don't have to re-calculate the strength of each Item's password every time you unlock the app. However, if (for example) an old version of 1Password had a bug that prevented a password change from also recording the correct password strength, you'd end up with an item whose actual password strength was quite different from the indicated strength.
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I'm not 100% sure if such a bug existed in previous versions of 1Password, but it's certainly possible via some edge case.
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As you've already discovered, getting things back in line is fairly straightforward: \n1. Edit the item and change the password to something else (even a one-letter change is fine) \n2. Save the item \n3. Edit the item again and change the password back, if desired, and save
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That will record the correct password strength and should also do away with the Watchtower alert.
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Sorry for the inconvenience, please let us know if those steps don't work for you, or if you run into any more trouble 💜
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