I am finally getting around to putting passkeys into action.. but something isn't adding up.
As a low risk test, I added a passkey to a bestbuy account. Started up an incognito session, and logged back in with my PASSWORD. Uhhh...?
Soooooo - passkeys are great (who doesn't like public key cryptography?!).. but if you can continue to log in with a password (didn't see a way to disable it), then what good are passkeys?
Shouldn't it be a password OR passkey - but not both? Or, at a minimum, the ability to disable the password? What am I missing? Do most passkey enabled sites allow the password fallback?
Thanks!
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I am finally getting around to putting passkeys into action.. but something isn't adding up.
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As a low risk test, I added a passkey to a bestbuy account. Started up an incognito session, and logged back in with my PASSWORD. Uhhh...?
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Soooooo - passkeys are great (who doesn't like public key cryptography?!).. but if you can continue to log in with a password (didn't see a way to disable it), then what good are passkeys?
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Shouldn't it be a password OR passkey - but not both? Or, at a minimum, the ability to disable the password? What am I missing? Do most passkey enabled sites allow the password fallback?
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Thanks!
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I am finally getting around to putting passkeys into action.. but something isn't adding up.
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As a low risk test, I added a passkey to a bestbuy account. Started up an incognito session, and logged back in with my PASSWORD. Uhhh...?
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Soooooo - passkeys are great (who doesn't like public key cryptography?!).. but if you can continue to log in with a password (didn't see a way to disable it), then what good are passkeys?
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Shouldn't it be a password OR passkey - but not both? Or, at a minimum, the ability to disable the password? What am I missing? Do most passkey enabled sites allow the password fallback?
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Thanks!
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Thanks for the thoughtful response. I don't disagree with anything that you are saying.
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However, the general marketing push (I think) in advocating for passkeys is the user is controlling their fate by switching from insecure (passwords) to secure (passkeys). Let's assume passwords are still allowed, and security is ultimately out of the user's hands (e.g., customer service rep changing password). In that case, I think it is incumbent on the arbitrators of the passkey \"push\" (developers, security folks, websites adopting passkeys, etc) to document that if the user was not secure before passkeys (e.g., simple passwords) they aren't any safer after (without additional steps). A working bad password is still a bad password.
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So far (and my review is LIMITED), I haven't seen anything saying, \"change your old password to something complex and never use it again.\" I also have not seen an option to disable (permanently or temporarily) when a passkey has been enabled. Companies seem to be more excited about what passkeys can do (and those benefits) versus what it is doing at the moment (in combination with the previous weaknesses that aren't being addressed).
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I guess my point is - if you are switching to passkeys, make sure you understand what it is (and is not) doing (on each site/app) and what steps you should be taking to increase their effectiveness (which I'm afraid isn't so evident to the typical user).
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We are in the early staged of Passkey implementation by services. Most services will fall back to the password you picked if no Passkey is available. Most services will also allow you to reset your passkey/password via an email sent to you.
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Passkeys themselves do not solve such issues. In time, as adoption grows higher, there will be a consensus in the industry on how to deal with this. But once again, we are very early right now.
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Even so, a password as a fallback is not really an issue. If you are concerned about a service that handles it in this way, simply pick a new very secure password and then never use it again. A secure and strong password that's not being used is still very secure.
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Be sure to write in to any service where you feel their account security could use a boost. Feedback is important. Also never forget that many services give back account access by mere customer support interaction, meaning social engineering into accounts is still the most problematic thing out there.
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Passkeys are a better implementation for account logins, but they do not solve all the problems of account security.
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