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rednaxela123
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2 years ago

Request: Allow log in from browser without forcing authorization from an already authorized device

Hello, I am testing the unlock with passkey feature currently with Yubikeys. I added two Yubikeys as a passkey and I am able to use them on my iPhone and on the browser. But one thing is really a...
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I added two Yubikeys as a passkey and I am able to use them on my iPhone and on the browser. But one thing is really a...","body@stringLength":"2087","rawBody":"

Hello,

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I am testing the unlock with passkey feature currently with Yubikeys. I added two Yubikeys as a passkey and I am able to use them on my iPhone and on the browser. But one thing is really annoying:

\n\n

the requirement to authorize a new browser on a trusted device when connecting to 1password from a different browser and the impossibility to disable this behavior

\n\n

Why? Well let's describe a scenario which might happen quite easily...

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... So simply by getting my phone stolen I am locked out of my digital identity because of that authorization : no emails, no social media account access, no banking app access ! Just a few examples of how annoying this can be.

\n\n

Now don't come with you just have to setup a recovery code. Not only in my setup this is a big security leak (compared to simply adding enough backup yubikeys). Even if I do so, it won't be in my wallet while on holiday. It's in a bank deposit box or at home in some drawer.

\n\n

I am aware that for most users the authorization feature is good and adds extra security especially if their master passkey is stored on the iphone itself.

\n\n

But please add an option to disable this. It's (in my opinion) compromising the ease of use of passkeys especially in an already secure enough scenario with hardware keys which are already a strong 2FA.

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Hello,

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I am testing the unlock with passkey feature currently with Yubikeys. I added two Yubikeys as a passkey and I am able to use them on my iPhone and on the browser. But one thing is really annoying:

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the requirement to authorize a new browser on a trusted device when connecting to 1password from a different browser and the impossibility to disable this behavior

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Why? Well let's describe a scenario which might happen quite easily...

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... So simply by getting my phone stolen I am locked out of my digital identity because of that authorization : no emails, no social media account access, no banking app access ! Just a few examples of how annoying this can be.

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Now don't come with you just have to setup a recovery code. Not only in my setup this is a big security leak (compared to simply adding enough backup yubikeys). Even if I do so, it won't be in my wallet while on holiday. It's in a bank deposit box or at home in some drawer.

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I am aware that for most users the authorization feature is good and adds extra security especially if their master passkey is stored on the iphone itself.

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But please add an option to disable this. It's (in my opinion) compromising the ease of use of passkeys especially in an already secure enough scenario with hardware keys which are already a strong 2FA.

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I would very much like to see this option as well, but I'm afraid it isn't actually possible using the current encryption model. Using passkeys on their own for encryption is quite problematic, and I was looking forward to seeing how 1Password solved that problem. After reading through https://1passwordstatic.com/files/security/1password-white-paper.pdf and https://1passwordstatic.com/files/security/1password-white-paper.pdf, I have to say the answer is: they didn't.

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Even though the feature is marketed as \"unlock with passkeys\" the encryption is not based on passkeys at all. Instead, each device has its own local keys, and setting up a new device involves a device-to-device data transfer, which is why I think the confirmation on an existing device is unavoidable. The passkeys are merely used to make sure it's you adding the device before a notification to the existing device is sent, so that you can't spam the approval requests for random accounts.

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This design is overall a little disappointing because based on all the marketing talk during the year, it did seem passkeys would be playing a more important role here - but it's also understandable given the limitations of using passkeys directly for encryption.

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I think at least the recovery process could be simplified a little but it would still require you to know the recovery code: https://1password.community/discussion/143668/feedback-regarding-the-passkey-recovery-flow - and nobody from 1Password responded on that thread so far :(

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I would very much like to see this option as well, but I'm afraid it isn't actually possible using the current encryption model. Using passkeys on their own for encryption is quite problematic, and I was looking forward to seeing how 1Password solved that problem. After reading through the details here and the white paper, I have to say the answer is: they didn't.

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Even though the feature is marketed as \"unlock with passkeys\" the encryption is not based on passkeys at all. Instead, each device has its own local keys, and setting up a new device involves a device-to-device data transfer, which is why I think the confirmation on an existing device is unavoidable. The passkeys are merely used to make sure it's you adding the device before a notification to the existing device is sent, so that you can't spam the approval requests for random accounts.

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This design is overall a little disappointing because based on all the marketing talk during the year, it did seem passkeys would be playing a more important role here - but it's also understandable given the limitations of using passkeys directly for encryption.

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I think at least the recovery process could be simplified a little but it would still require you to know the recovery code: https://1password.community/discussion/143668/feedback-regarding-the-passkey-recovery-flow - and nobody from 1Password responded on that thread so far :(

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