Request: Allow log in from browser without forcing authorization from an already authorized device
Hello,
I am testing the unlock with passkey feature currently with Yubikeys. I added two Yubikeys as a passkey and I am able to use them on my iPhone and on the browser. But one thing is really a...
I understood it needs 2 things to login to your cloud and decrypt the vault. 1. Passkey to authenticate against your servers 2. the already trusted device to confirm and decrypt the vault (or the recovery key). For the recovery process rednaxela123 complains that you need access to your email-Account and the recovery key. Which is a problem if your Mobile device got lost in vacation and it's the only device you have with you, and the access to eMail is also not possible as the password for eMail account is locked in the 1P vault where you don't have access. Or even worse when access to Mailbox is only possible with a fancy new passkey ;) )
So if you could decrypt the vault thru a certificate in addition, which can be installed on a Yubikey you could have that with you (Or put it at a friends house) - secure protected via PIN.
Idea would be to "hash" the required decryption secret in a certificate or digital signature which is stored on the Yubikey. So user can authenticate against your servers with the passkey and unlock the vault thru the certificate. Just to be clear - this should not replace the "approve access on trusted device" what is implemented now. It should be an additional method which is independent from Mailboxes and printed emergency recovery keys.
So flow is
1. login into 1Password.com
2. Manage credentials
3. Create digital decryption certificate / Signature
4. Store on yubikey
If you need to login to a new 1PW instance on a new device or foreign PC. 3 Methods
A. Passkey (eg. on iCloud or Google Cloud or Yubikey) + Approve on existing trusted 1PW instance - Standard process
Backup:
B. Passkey on Yubikey + Signature or certificate from Yubikey
C) eMail and printed recovery code
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Hello,
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I am testing the unlock with passkey feature currently with Yubikeys. I added two Yubikeys as a passkey and I am able to use them on my iPhone and on the browser. But one thing is really annoying:
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the requirement to authorize a new browser on a trusted device when connecting to 1password from a different browser and the impossibility to disable this behavior
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Why? Well let's describe a scenario which might happen quite easily...
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I use 1password on my iphone and on my Mac
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i am on a trip far from home, only with my iphone and my (heavy) mac is safe at home
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My iPhone gets stolen
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Of course my passwords are safe as they don't have any Yubikey neither their pincode
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But now I am unable to get access to any password during the whole trip: if i borrow the computer of a friend 1password will refuse signing in with my Yubikey because it will send an authorization to my (stolen) iPhone and my Mac is alone at home !
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... So simply by getting my phone stolen I am locked out of my digital identity because of that authorization : no emails, no social media account access, no banking app access ! Just a few examples of how annoying this can be.
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Now don't come with you just have to setup a recovery code. Not only in my setup this is a big security leak (compared to simply adding enough backup yubikeys). Even if I do so, it won't be in my wallet while on holiday. It's in a bank deposit box or at home in some drawer.
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I am aware that for most users the authorization feature is good and adds extra security especially if their master passkey is stored on the iphone itself.
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But please add an option to disable this. It's (in my opinion) compromising the ease of use of passkeys especially in an already secure enough scenario with hardware keys which are already a strong 2FA.
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I am testing the unlock with passkey feature currently with Yubikeys. I added two Yubikeys as a passkey and I am able to use them on my iPhone and on the browser. But one thing is really annoying:
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the requirement to authorize a new browser on a trusted device when connecting to 1password from a different browser and the impossibility to disable this behavior
\n\n
Why? Well let's describe a scenario which might happen quite easily...
\n\n
\n
I use 1password on my iphone and on my Mac
\n
i am on a trip far from home, only with my iphone and my (heavy) mac is safe at home
\n
My iPhone gets stolen
\n
Of course my passwords are safe as they don't have any Yubikey neither their pincode
\n
But now I am unable to get access to any password during the whole trip: if i borrow the computer of a friend 1password will refuse signing in with my Yubikey because it will send an authorization to my (stolen) iPhone and my Mac is alone at home !
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... So simply by getting my phone stolen I am locked out of my digital identity because of that authorization : no emails, no social media account access, no banking app access ! Just a few examples of how annoying this can be.
\n\n
Now don't come with you just have to setup a recovery code. Not only in my setup this is a big security leak (compared to simply adding enough backup yubikeys). Even if I do so, it won't be in my wallet while on holiday. It's in a bank deposit box or at home in some drawer.
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I am aware that for most users the authorization feature is good and adds extra security especially if their master passkey is stored on the iphone itself.
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But please add an option to disable this. It's (in my opinion) compromising the ease of use of passkeys especially in an already secure enough scenario with hardware keys which are already a strong 2FA.
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1Password Version: Not Provided \nExtension Version: Not Provided \nOS Version: Not Provided \nBrowser: Not Provided
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Hi Dave, thanks for reply
\nI understood it needs 2 things to login to your cloud and decrypt the vault. 1. Passkey to authenticate against your servers 2. the already trusted device to confirm and decrypt the vault (or the recovery key). For the recovery process rednaxela123 complains that you need access to your email-Account and the recovery key. Which is a problem if your Mobile device got lost in vacation and it's the only device you have with you, and the access to eMail is also not possible as the password for eMail account is locked in the 1P vault where you don't have access. Or even worse when access to Mailbox is only possible with a fancy new passkey ;) )
\nSo if you could decrypt the vault thru a certificate in addition, which can be installed on a Yubikey you could have that with you (Or put it at a friends house) - secure protected via PIN.
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Idea would be to \"hash\" the required decryption secret in a certificate or digital signature which is stored on the Yubikey. So user can authenticate against your servers with the passkey and unlock the vault thru the certificate. Just to be clear - this should not replace the \"approve access on trusted device\" what is implemented now. It should be an additional method which is independent from Mailboxes and printed emergency recovery keys. \nSo flow is \n1. login into 1Password.com \n2. Manage credentials \n3. Create digital decryption certificate / Signature \n4. Store on yubikey
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If you need to login to a new 1PW instance on a new device or foreign PC. 3 Methods \nA. Passkey (eg. on iCloud or Google Cloud or Yubikey) + Approve on existing trusted 1PW instance - Standard process \nBackup: \nB. Passkey on Yubikey + Signature or certificate from Yubikey \nC) eMail and printed recovery code
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Hi Dave, thanks for reply
\nI understood it needs 2 things to login to your cloud and decrypt the vault. 1. Passkey to authenticate against your servers 2. the already trusted device to confirm and decrypt the vault (or the recovery key). For the recovery process rednaxela123 complains that you need access to your email-Account and the recovery key. Which is a problem if your Mobile device got lost in vacation and it's the only device you have with you, and the access to eMail is also not possible as the password for eMail account is locked in the 1P vault where you don't have access. Or even worse when access to Mailbox is only possible with a fancy new passkey ;) )
\nSo if you could decrypt the vault thru a certificate in addition, which can be installed on a Yubikey you could have that with you (Or put it at a friends house) - secure protected via PIN.
\n\n
Idea would be to \"hash\" the required decryption secret in a certificate or digital signature which is stored on the Yubikey. So user can authenticate against your servers with the passkey and unlock the vault thru the certificate. Just to be clear - this should not replace the \"approve access on trusted device\" what is implemented now. It should be an additional method which is independent from Mailboxes and printed emergency recovery keys. \nSo flow is \n1. login into 1Password.com \n2. Manage credentials \n3. Create digital decryption certificate / Signature \n4. Store on yubikey
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If you need to login to a new 1PW instance on a new device or foreign PC. 3 Methods \nA. Passkey (eg. on iCloud or Google Cloud or Yubikey) + Approve on existing trusted 1PW instance - Standard process \nBackup: \nB. Passkey on Yubikey + Signature or certificate from Yubikey \nC) eMail and printed recovery code
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