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nukmicah
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3 years ago

1P8 Password Generator Strength Good versus Fantastic

1Password is using different meters for the Password Generator versus once they're made, which is confusing and annoying as I want all my passwords to be Fantastic as long as the site supports it. Please use the same meter for the generator that you're already using once they're made. I have the same issue on the Windows desktop app and Android. The strength meter is important to help users provide stronger passwords, as discussed in https://1password.community/discussion/19507/understanding-password-strength-meters and in https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/publication/does-my-password-go-up-to-eleven-the-impact-of-password-meters-on-password-selection/

You can see here the strength meter is full green. I tested increasing characters to 100, and the strength bar stayed full green, no change.

However after the credential has been saved, 1Password tells me it's only Good, not Fantastic.

I'm confused why you have two different rating system UIs in the first place. Imo the generator should show exactly the same info as it'll show once saved, maybe like this:


1Password Version: 8.8.0 / 8.9.2
Extension Version: Not Provided
OS Version: Win10 / Android 12
Browser:_ Not Provided
Referrer: forum-search:https://1password.community/search?Search=generator

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1Password is using different meters for the Password Generator versus once they're made, which is confusing and annoying as I want all my passwords to be Fantastic as long as the site supports it. Please use the same meter for the generator that you're already using once they're made. I have the same issue on the Windows desktop app and Android. The strength meter is important to help users provide stronger passwords, as discussed in https://1password.community/discussion/19507/understanding-password-strength-meters and in https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/publication/does-my-password-go-up-to-eleven-the-impact-of-password-meters-on-password-selection/

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You can see here the strength meter is full green. I tested increasing characters to 100, and the strength bar stayed full green, no change.
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However after the credential has been saved, 1Password tells me it's only Good, not Fantastic.
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I'm confused why you have two different rating system UIs in the first place. Imo the generator should show exactly the same info as it'll show once saved, maybe like this:
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1Password is using different meters for the Password Generator versus once they're made, which is confusing and annoying as I want all my passwords to be Fantastic as long as the site supports it. Please use the same meter for the generator that you're already using once they're made. I have the same issue on the Windows desktop app and Android. The strength meter is important to help users provide stronger passwords, as discussed in https://1password.community/discussion/19507/understanding-password-strength-meters and in https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/publication/does-my-password-go-up-to-eleven-the-impact-of-password-meters-on-password-selection/

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You can see here the strength meter is full green. I tested increasing characters to 100, and the strength bar stayed full green, no change.
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However after the credential has been saved, 1Password tells me it's only Good, not Fantastic.
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I'm confused why you have two different rating system UIs in the first place. Imo the generator should show exactly the same info as it'll show once saved, maybe like this:
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1P8 Password Generator Strength Good versus Fantastic","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:143846"},"body":"

Hello again nukmicah,

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Thanks for your reply. Any kind of manual edit to password will reduce the strength of the password. Even adding characters to a generated password changes it from a generated password and will reduce the strength.

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When generating a password in 1Password 8 (without making any edits), you are still getting Good passwords instead of Fantastic when the strength meter is full? If so, can you send an email to support+windows@1Password.com with the JSON from an example item? Please do not post these details in the forums:

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  1. Open the 1Password app, open the Settings/Preferences panel, and switch to the Advanced tab.
  2. \n
  3. Enable Show Debugging tools, then close the Settings/Preferences window.
  4. \n
  5. Navigate to the example item, click the overflow menu (three dots) in the top-right corner of the entry window, and click Copy item JSON.
  6. \n
  7. Paste the contents of your clipboard into a text document.
  8. \n
  9. Go through the pasted output, and replace your actual username, password, and any previously-used passwords with Username, Password, or Old-password.
  10. \n
  11. Save the text document, review it one more time to ensure no sensitive information is still stored there, and then attach it to your email.
  12. \n
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If you could also include a link to this thread and your forum handle, this will help us to \"connect the dots\" when we see your report in our inbox. Thank you!

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Hi, I edited my test login with the exact password in your screeshot, and it says only Good security.
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Hello again nukmicah,

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Thank you for the update and letting me know that these screenshots were from the app. With additional testing, both creating a new item or changing a password on an existing displays the same results with version 80800203 with a Fantastic password.

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Your screenshots show this is clearly not the case when you attempt to do so. These screenshots also appear to be from a newly created test item. Can you confirm this is the case and if editing this item and creating a newly generated password helps?

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Type=random, length=13, with numbers and symbols, shows full green bar in the generator but shows Good after the credential has been saved.

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I was originally going to submit the feedback from Android, but found I couldn't take any screenshots so I replicated the behavior on Windows where I could take the screenshots to show what I'm talking about.

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Those screenshot are directly from my windows app v8.8.0. I have identical behavior in my android app v8.9.2

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Hello nukmicah,

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We appreciate the time you've taken to write in and report this behaviour.

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Creating a new Login item in app and using the Create a New Password option with the same preferences, resulted in a Fantastic password for each of my tests. Were you using this same method from with this app itself? If not, could you please provide detailed steps you used so we can try to recreate and report this to the team?

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Thanks!

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