1P_Ben @MrRooni roustem
I understand a part for you deciding to go for Electron on the front end was so that the Apps could all look and feel as close as possible to each other across the various...
Anonymous
4 years ago
One could open up the arc a little further: As some people have probably noticed, we are slowly burning our asses off. One of the ways out of the dilemma is NOT to waste more energy. I've been wondering for a while now what all these Electron-like apps and other JS hell apps consume more energy than their efficiently programmed counterparts.
Billions of computers and servers operating as if resources were free. I studied technical computer science. I used to develop software for devices with little memory and CPU. I dare say that all those who bluntly pull thousands of node/whatever dependencies into their code can't really develop SW. They can nail together prefabricated boards, but that's about it.
I had compared a few Electron apps to their native counterparts a while back. The bottom line was that the resource consumption was at least 3 to 5 times and even up to 10 times higher. Be it CPU, processes/threads (this also costs resources), RAM and battery. Not only do the apps themselves consume more battery, you also need more and more RAM - and RAM, oh wonder, needs more energy.
There are some projects out there that are also multiplatform. They use e.g. Java or C/C++ as a core and marry this with a corresponding GUI on the respective platforms. Like Cyberduck, Transmission or Handbrake, for example.
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I understand a part for you deciding to go for Electron on the front end was so that the Apps could all look and feel as close as possible to each other across the various different platforms. Can I ask, seriously, who actually asked for this?
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I've done a quick and dirty survey of my non technically bless friends - not a single one of them expects or wants Apps to behave the same way across all platforms. All of them expect, and are happy to accept that each platform will make Apps looks and behave differently.
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Shouldn't the focus being on using the best available to technologies and frameworks to make each App feel, look and function the best for its respect platform, even if that means it isn't exactly consistent across each?
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I'm just struggling to understand this design decision, and it makes me sad because it really feels like an absolute betrayal for one of the key things you used to stand for, having the best native Mac Apps possible. Using Electron is completely at odds with having the best native Mac App possible, because there are other, better frameworks out there.
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I understand a part for you deciding to go for Electron on the front end was so that the Apps could all look and feel as close as possible to each other across the various different platforms. Can I ask, seriously, who actually asked for this?
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I've done a quick and dirty survey of my non technically bless friends - not a single one of them expects or wants Apps to behave the same way across all platforms. All of them expect, and are happy to accept that each platform will make Apps looks and behave differently.
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Shouldn't the focus being on using the best available to technologies and frameworks to make each App feel, look and function the best for its respect platform, even if that means it isn't exactly consistent across each?
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I'm just struggling to understand this design decision, and it makes me sad because it really feels like an absolute betrayal for one of the key things you used to stand for, having the best native Mac Apps possible. Using Electron is completely at odds with having the best native Mac App possible, because there are other, better frameworks out there.
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One could open up the arc a little further: As some people have probably noticed, we are slowly burning our asses off. One of the ways out of the dilemma is NOT to waste more energy. I've been wondering for a while now what all these Electron-like apps and other JS hell apps consume more energy than their efficiently programmed counterparts.
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Billions of computers and servers operating as if resources were free. I studied technical computer science. I used to develop software for devices with little memory and CPU. I dare say that all those who bluntly pull thousands of node/whatever dependencies into their code can't really develop SW. They can nail together prefabricated boards, but that's about it.
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I had compared a few Electron apps to their native counterparts a while back. The bottom line was that the resource consumption was at least 3 to 5 times and even up to 10 times higher. Be it CPU, processes/threads (this also costs resources), RAM and battery. Not only do the apps themselves consume more battery, you also need more and more RAM - and RAM, oh wonder, needs more energy.
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There are some projects out there that are also multiplatform. They use e.g. Java or C/C++ as a core and marry this with a corresponding GUI on the respective platforms. Like Cyberduck, Transmission or Handbrake, for example.
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One could open up the arc a little further: As some people have probably noticed, we are slowly burning our asses off. One of the ways out of the dilemma is NOT to waste more energy. I've been wondering for a while now what all these Electron-like apps and other JS hell apps consume more energy than their efficiently programmed counterparts.
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Billions of computers and servers operating as if resources were free. I studied technical computer science. I used to develop software for devices with little memory and CPU. I dare say that all those who bluntly pull thousands of node/whatever dependencies into their code can't really develop SW. They can nail together prefabricated boards, but that's about it.
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I had compared a few Electron apps to their native counterparts a while back. The bottom line was that the resource consumption was at least 3 to 5 times and even up to 10 times higher. Be it CPU, processes/threads (this also costs resources), RAM and battery. Not only do the apps themselves consume more battery, you also need more and more RAM - and RAM, oh wonder, needs more energy.
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There are some projects out there that are also multiplatform. They use e.g. Java or C/C++ as a core and marry this with a corresponding GUI on the respective platforms. Like Cyberduck, Transmission or Handbrake, for example.
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