Design language

blankspace, I don't know what qualifies as enterprise, but I was one of the two voices who got our 30+ person company to go to 1Password a couple years ago, although only a fraction of those people actually use it. I know several other people that got their firms to use it, too. The common factor was that the people driving the adoption were Mac users, even as it spread to Windows in those firms (although since the start of the pandemic, we've shifted to Mac-only for the sake of remote security). The Windows users didn't see what the big deal was — they were happy to use any of the cheaper, competing tools. The Mac users were the ones who advocated for paying the premium for a lovingly-crafted product that sweated the details. The Mac user base is smaller, but by my purely anecdotal observations it is influential, and steers decisions away from just picking the cheapest.

That's why I hope these paper cuts get figured out and fixed, if that is even possible with an Electron UI. I fear for the day when my firm chooses based on price, if there's no longer enough of a differentiation.

Or be petty like some of us and move now.

You might call it petty but I want them to hear our collective voices and realise this is a bad decision for everyone involved.

claus to understand you have to understand enterprise users. They don't care about flashy animations or what the app is built on. They care about:

1. Fast deployment and management
2. Unified UI across all platforms to ensure all user's have the same experience / no training needed
3. Easy support, with a unified UI, they don't need multiple help documents or specific training for IT users

This is why companies who case enterprise users adopt things like electron, yes it saves development costs but it's more about going after enterprise money which is massive $$$$$$$.

This is also the reason they're looking at local deployments, it's not to help us out, it's for places like my company who wouldn't even look at 1p because they don't offer enterprise on site deployment.

The issue is, average customers and enterprise always have vastly different wants and needs. Use 1P7 until it's no longer usable on macos and then move to another company. Or be petty like some of us and move now.

They believe it is a good direction because it is easier for them.

I wonder how much more of negative feedback it needs to stop with the actual v8 - and starting with a complete redesign.
In almost every thread I read negative feedback, not just small critics.
Still I do not understand why AgileBits still believes that v8 is on a good direction. It is not about some cosmetic bug fixing. It is the generally design (UI, access, interaction, ...) of the app. Fixing little bit or there does not vanish the problem(s) at all.

I have been using and evolving with 1Password since it's inception in 2008. The main reason I have been a loyal user is because of its native Max experience. A new version should always be an improvement from the previous. Moving to a least-common-demoninator Electron environment and moving away from the native Mac experience we have had since 2008 is not a step in the right direction. I am very concerned by all the Beta user comments and have no interest whatsoever suffering through what in essence is a 1.0 release on this new platform after having faithfully used 1Password for the last 13 years.

Through my company, I have to suffer through using Slack on a daily basis. I don't get a choice in that since its a company standard. I do get a choice in the applications I use in my daily personal workflow. I would never consider using any app that is based on Electron.

Of course everyone at 1Password understands the commitment most Mac/Apple users have to the platform. Of course, you must realize that reviews such as https://9to5mac.com/2018/07/01/best-password-manager-mac-ios/ will be a thing of the past once 1Password8 is released on Electron. Bradley's comment sums it up best:

"...despite some excellent offerings from competitors, 1Password is an app I always come back to using. Of all the apps I tried, 1Password feel the most native to the Apple ecosystem...."

Because 1Password has been a native Mac app all these years, I have never once been interested in looking or evaluating any competitive product. Once 1Password 8 is running on Electron, I believe that will be the point in time for me to take a serious look at those other "excellent offerings". I'll have nothing to loose at that point.

And don't forget that as a bonus you can't switch to the All Tabs view in Safari or center text in Pages using the keyboard thanks to the global claiming of a widely used shortcut.

every day I use 1p8 to test I hate it more and more. I've used 1p8 since mac's beta launch and I have never once said "this is better than 1p7". I find it no faster, no better, or easier to use.

It's been the exact opposite. Clunky unified OS that just pisses everyone off, slow first summon times and just poor actions.

I might as well just use 1PX in a browser or the web UI.

They also need to fully restore all the functionality taken out of the menubar. A good menubar is a hallmark of a good Mac app. The real Mac version of 1Password had a good menubar from which you could do most anything in the app. The new 1Password doesn't. Once again, it's like a lump of Linux dropped on the Mac.

And the menus don't even seem to be aware of what the user is doing. When I select my passport in the real Mac 1Password 7, I get this very helpful Edit menu:

When I choose my passport in the Linux app that is pretending to be Mac 1Password 8, I get this Edit menu that thinks my passport has a password:

Also, the Electron 1Password 8 can open individual items in proper new Mac windows. Why can't it open its preferences like that? And why doesn't it have a proper Mac-like "About 1Password..." window?

I think these are the biggest issues mac users are upset. It goes way past "ELECTRON BAD". The app just isn't designed to the level 1P7 is.

• The modals instead of individual windows
• "X" close instead of circles and right aligned actions instead of left
• No actionability on the left menu, I can't edit, drag, update or do anything. I can't even add or delete tags...

Like I could and have in other threads go on forever about UI issues that shows us that Mac was the last platform they moved to and as a result we went from first class to bottom of the list.

It just doesn't make sense. There is no way windows has surpassed mac in revenue for 1password. I just don't believe it however if I'm wrong 1p can let me know. Until then I yell and wonder why was mac such an afterthought on the 1p8 design?